SportsAndLady;1782060 wrote:[insert know-it-all sarcastic response from zwick here] in 3, 2, 1....

QuakerOats;1782055 wrote:Not true; the South didn't start leaning republican until the last 15 years or so, after finally seeing what democrats actually delivered over 40 years, and realizing they are largely a bunch of socialists.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1782048 wrote:Poor rednecks have been voting Republican for years and they're still poor. See how dumb generalizations are?

BR1986FB;1782056 wrote:And your dumbasses tax plan will cost $18 TRILLION (according to the WSJ), double the current national debt. Yay 'free' college....yay 'free' healthcare ! Fucking morons....he's got you idiots hook, line & sinker with that 'socialism's cool' bullshit.

rrfan;1782072 wrote:Can you Read? I did not say that Charles Barkley did.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1782077 wrote:WSJ estimates 18 trillion. Most estimate 13-15 trillion... and its important to note that that's 13-15 trillion over a decade, not in a year. Which also is a reach since no single payer systems pays remotely close to that. My question to you... how much do we spend on healthcare a year? To save you some research, which you obviously won't do, we spend over a trillion a year right now. we already spend 10-12 trillion a decade in healthcare. a single payer systems cuts heavily on administration fees from multiples of insurances and economists say that alone could save us 5 trillion a year. How much do we spend in college a year? About 70 Billion just in tuition to public universities. That's not counting private university tuition. I know WSJ scared you and threw a scary number at you.. but guess what.. we're already spending that and more on a smaller portion of the populous.

like_that;1782085 wrote:Zwick's defense mechanism.

Be a smug know it all asshole to deflect from Bernie's obvious flaws.

So you disregard any source against Bernie, but take his word for gold? Got it.

QuakerOats;1782064 wrote:They both should be considered enemas of state.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1782086 wrote:obvious flaws lol

noticed you didn't dispute any point I made.. great rebuttal.

like_that;1782085 wrote:Zwick's defense mechanism.

Be a smug know it all asshole to deflect from Bernie's obvious flaws.

So you disregard any source against Bernie, but take his word for gold? Got it.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1782077 wrote:WSJ estimates 18 trillion. Most estimate 13-15 trillion... and its important to note that that's 13-15 trillion over a decade, not in a year. Which also is a reach since no single payer systems pays remotely close to that. My question to you... how much do we spend on healthcare a year? To save you some research, which you obviously won't do, we spend over a trillion a year right now. we already spend 10-12 trillion a decade in healthcare. a single payer systems cuts heavily on administration fees from multiples of insurances and economists say that alone could save us 5 trillion a year. How much do we spend in college a year? About 70 Billion just in tuition to public universities. That's not counting private university tuition. I know WSJ scared you and threw a scary number at you.. but guess what.. we're already spending that and more on a smaller portion of the populous.

sleeper;1782094 wrote:This of course assumes cost is the only consideration in healthcare and academics. It's not. Quality will degrade over time in both and that is the reality.

sleeper;1782095 wrote:Also Bernie needs to be more honest about how much his plans are going to cost middle class America.

Anyone who believes the "rich" are going to pay for everything and the middle class will only see small increases are delusional and don't live in reality.

like_that;1782096 wrote:This, and also what would stop the schools from raising continuing to raise their costs if they know every student can keep borrowing money from the government to pay it off? The end result is the taxes being raised and in reality costing everybody more money. Once again, nothing is ever free.

like_that;1782097 wrote:I like how everyone gives Donald shit from having no substance to his plans (and deservingly so), but Bernie is almost just as vague and people are eating that up. Brings the lulz.

sleeper;1782098 wrote:I'm not sure how free universities would work anyway. Do the universities dictate their price and then the government reimburses? Or does the government set the price for each school and then the schools just deal with the budget? In the former, costs will sky rocket well beyond the current $70B per year and the latter the quality will be 3rd world at best.

sleeper;1782098 wrote:I would be okay with free community colleges as sort of a Post-High school program designed to give people some real world skills instead of the garbage they teach in public school.

hasbeen;1782101 wrote:If government takes over public universities, the best professors will leave.



Rather than create something like that, why not fix public education? Create a coursework that can be applied to the real world. Have very real repercussions if kids don't meet the standards. Of course, having real repercussions would then have to fix parenting and eliminate enabling.

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1782123 wrote:our states already subsidize state universities.. what all do you think will change?

sleeper;1782099 wrote:All politicians are vague. Bernie is a straight liar.