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Jan 22, 2016 10:29 AM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1777482 wrote:Wondering what anyone on here thinks of National Review's attempted take down of Trump's candidacy. They put together essays from 10-20 most recognizable conservative voices with the theme that Trump was horrible for the conservative cause and should be dismissed by voters. Quite a move by a leading voice of the right.

Of course, Quaker et al will wait and get their talking points from Fox and Rush. But for the rest, opinions?
For me, Trump has already lost my vote for a multitude of reasons. I am, however, beyond shocked that this guy is not only still in the race but by far the leading candidate in the polls.

Really sad.
Jan 22, 2016 10:29am
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Jan 22, 2016 10:40 AM
sleeper;1777488 wrote:For me, Trump has already lost my vote for a multitude of reasons. I am, however, beyond shocked that this guy is not only still in the race but by far the leading candidate in the polls.

Really sad.
What are the reasons Trump lost your vote?
Jan 22, 2016 10:40am
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Jan 22, 2016 10:41 AM
sleeper;1777488 wrote:For me, Trump has already lost my vote for a multitude of reasons. I am, however, beyond shocked that this guy is not only still in the race but by far the leading candidate in the polls.

Really sad.
This.

I just cannot fathom that there are no better Republican candidates that Trump, Cruz, et al. Trump would scare the hell out of me as Commander in Chief...even though I do agree with a lot of the points that he has made.

I think that some of the folks still in the race need to drop out to 'clear the water'. Folks like Paul, Kasich, Huckabee, Christie...and Bush to a certain degree.
Jan 22, 2016 10:41am
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Jan 22, 2016 10:43 AM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1777482 wrote:Wondering what anyone on here thinks of National Review's attempted take down of Trump's candidacy. They put together essays from 10-20 most recognizable conservative voices with the theme that Trump was horrible for the conservative cause and should be dismissed by voters. Quite a move by a leading voice of the right.

Of course, Quaker et al will wait and get their talking points from Fox and Rush. But for the rest, opinions?

I read the piece, and agree with much of it. Obviously Trump is not a true conservative, but obviously he would have been a hell of a sight better than the current regime. I am not sure the authors get it though, responsible people are fed up with all things Washington D.C. - period. Responsible people created a republican majority in congress, yet obama does whatever the hell he wants and gets about everything he wants, illegally or otherwise. So after 6 years responsible people start questioning why the 'establishment' is not able to overcome the imposter in the WH, and it gives rise to more of a populist outsider. Is Trump my kind of guy, no; but I understand why he is where he is today. The authors need to understand that at some point, execution matters, not excuses.
Jan 22, 2016 10:43am
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Jan 22, 2016 10:52 AM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1777498 wrote:What are the reasons Trump lost your vote?
Mostly because I think there is value in not always saying exactly what you think especially in dealing with people who aren't as mentally tough as preferable. I can't imagine how the world will feel with a Trump in office; he's an asshole at best.
Jan 22, 2016 10:52am
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Jan 22, 2016 1:29 PM
Not a chance on Earth Trump gets my vote in the primaries. He only gets it in the main if he is our only option next to Hillary/Sanders, one of those "shit, have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils" type vote.
Jan 22, 2016 1:29pm
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Jan 22, 2016 2:02 PM
jmog;1777562 wrote:Not a chance on Earth Trump gets my vote in the primaries. He only gets it in the main if he is our only option next to Hillary/Sanders, one of those "shit, have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils" type vote.


As bad as Trump might be, he would be staggeringly better than the socialists now running as democrats, which goes to show just how truly sad and far, far out-in-left-field the dem side has become. The entire country continues to slip left on the political spectrum; JFK would be a run-of-the-mill republican today, if not a 'conservative'.
Jan 22, 2016 2:02pm
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Jan 22, 2016 5:19 PM
He's not off at all. JFK was a classic liberal, as opposed to what passes for liberalism today.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". Nothing in there about free college.
Jan 22, 2016 5:19pm
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Jan 23, 2016 11:21 AM
HitsRus;1777638 wrote:He's not off at all. JFK was a classic liberal, as opposed to what passes for liberalism today.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". Nothing in there about free college.
I agree that JFK was no liberal - at least by today's standards. Eisenhower and Bush senior, likewise, would never fit into today's born-again, protectionist, simplified conservative structure. That's how things evolve. Thomas Jefferson had more in common with today's Republicans. Lincoln had very little in common with today's Republicans.
Jan 23, 2016 11:21am
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Jan 26, 2016 3:05 PM
Did anybody watch the Democratic forum last night? Any highlights?
Jan 26, 2016 3:05pm
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Jan 26, 2016 8:27 PM
like_that;1778311 wrote:Did anybody watch the Democratic forum last night? Any highlights?
Yes. Candidates appeared separately and not together.

Bernie promised equality and utopia. Single payer and taxes on the middle class to pay for it. But the tax would be a net savings no longer paying health insurance premiums and the feds ability to streamline and efficiently manage it.

Hillary was asked why some people think she is dishonest. She couldn't say why that is a mischaracterization of her. Basically people accuse her of all kinds of things but she just keeps moving forward. All BS type speak. Of course blatant lies.

O'malley's biggest applause came when he took his suit jacket off and rolled up his sleeves.
Jan 26, 2016 8:27pm
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Jan 26, 2016 8:42 PM
Looks like Trump will not attend the Republican debate Thursday.
Jan 26, 2016 8:42pm
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Jan 26, 2016 9:40 PM
He's a fool and a wimp if he doesn't. This is shit that will haunt him the rest of the way in his campaign, and give his opponents plenty of ammunition. Completely un-presidential. Even if he changes his mind and shows up, this petulance has already gone too far. He's auditioning for the job that gets all the tough questions, and he can't even handle Kelly?

Maybe he is just afraid to get schooled by Marco Rubio on the nuclear triad again. Nobody noticed the first time....maybe he's afraid to push his luck.
Jan 26, 2016 9:40pm
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Jan 26, 2016 9:47 PM
One would think. Every time people think Trump has slit his own throat his poll numbers go up. Who knows in this latest episode of the political Twilight Zone. Fox's debate ratings tank and Trump's go up.
Jan 26, 2016 9:47pm
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Jan 26, 2016 9:51 PM
gosh a ruddies just watched the Megyn Kelly-Michael Moore lovefest. He sucked up to her and she gave him soft ball questions.
Jan 26, 2016 9:51pm
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Jan 26, 2016 10:51 PM
Hopefully trunks absence helps the other candidates not named Ted Cruz.
Jan 26, 2016 10:51pm
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Jan 26, 2016 10:54 PM
Trump has been flying in the face of the MSM the whole campaign and his support keeps building. If recent history continues, not doing the FOX debate could actually increase his support. Its difficult to predict his out of the mainstream antics.

Though I am wary to vote for him in the primary, I kind of like the way he is going against the grain. It will be interesting to see the fall-out next week.
Jan 26, 2016 10:54pm
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Jan 26, 2016 11:15 PM
^^^I don't understand it, and hopefully when it come to punching a voting card, people are going to reconsider. Anger is one thing, but the guy you elect has to be able to govern. You have to live with that choice....and quite frankly, he scares the shit out of me.
Jan 26, 2016 11:15pm
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Jan 26, 2016 11:31 PM
HitsRus;1778382 wrote:^^^I don't understand it, and hopefully when it come to punching a voting card, people are going to reconsider. Anger is one thing, but the guy you elect has to be able to govern. You have to live with that choice....and quite frankly, he scares the shit out of me.
The dude has a massive ego which honestly could be a huge thing for the country. I'll give it to him, the guy puts his money where his mouth is and if he says he's going to do something he's going to do it. He could flat out fail or be one of the greatest presidents.


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Jan 26, 2016 11:31pm
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Jan 26, 2016 11:42 PM
Crimson streak;1778386 wrote:if he says he's going to do something he's going to do it.
What do you base that on?
Jan 26, 2016 11:42pm
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Jan 27, 2016 12:20 AM
Apple;1778381 wrote:Trump has been flying in the face of the MSM the whole campaign and his support keeps building. If recent history continues, not doing the FOX debate could actually increase his support. Its difficult to predict his out of the mainstream antics.
Rubio and Cruz and others have stood up to the media as well. Trump is not a humble guy. At this point he has fuck off dollars and a near cult like following. As he said he could shoot a guy dead in the street and his supporters would stick by him. He is likely right and the debate ratings will take a shit with his absence. He's got everyone scratching their heads. I get the appeal for a candidate who turns the political process we are all sick of upside down but Trump is not the answer.
Jan 27, 2016 12:20am
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Jan 27, 2016 8:00 AM
THis will not hurt him one bit. A debate is not mandatory nor is it "presidential".

he is flexing his muscle and the outcome will be a poorly watched debate and he will come out as a strong decision maker.
Jan 27, 2016 8:00am
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Jan 27, 2016 9:09 AM
FatHobbit;1778387 wrote:What do you base that on?
Says he will build the best most hotels, he does it, says he's going to write a best selling book, he does it, says he's going to have the highest rated TV show and he does it. The guy might be an asshole and ignorant but he stays true to his word and does what he says he's going to do. I can tell you this, if he is the next potus America will be feared again around the world. Which isn't a bad thing


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Jan 27, 2016 9:09am
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Jan 27, 2016 11:03 AM
majorspark;1778359 wrote:Looks like Trump will not attend the Republican debate Thursday.

Reagan skipped the final debate before the '80 Iowa caucuses ---- won the general in a landslide.
Jan 27, 2016 11:03am