BR1986FB;1680623 wrote:Hoyer seems to be brutal in the red zone. So many FG's and not enough TD's. This is why I've been advocating some kind of red zone package for Manziel. We saw yesterday what he can do inside the 20. Will it be throwing for TD's? Maybe, maybe not, but he's a threat to move the chains with his feet. My biggest concern, as Al Bundy mentioned on the other thread, is his grasp of the playbook. Are they going to have to condense it to 15-20 plays or does he know it?

Classyposter58;1680619 wrote:As someone who casually watches the Browns you are correct sir. I mean Manziel might not be a better passer but he at least has good speed and can make plays happen in that way. Hoyer has played 1 potential playoff team in the Bengals in the last 7 games with a statline that reads 4 TD's & 9 INT's. You cannot continue to start him

Footwedge;1680656 wrote:This just in...Manziel has the stronger arm and is 3 times more accurate than the guy that will be carrying the clipboard Sunday.

Commander of Awesome;1680608 wrote:People responding to buttwedge:

BR1986FB;1680599 wrote:Haha...you're so fucking dumb. Not a chance. He admitted himself in his presser yesterday that "no way that (80 yard TD drive) happens in week 3." He's gotten progressively better, week by week, by watching and learning (his words, not my opinion).

Commander of Awesome;1680608 wrote:People responding to buttwedge:

Sonofanump;1680659 wrote:Calling you out BR1986, put him on ignore for my sake.

jmog;1680603 wrote:Late first rounders you can go with a RT, one of our 2 1st rounders will be in the bottom 12 (playoffs) most likely as I see either the Browns or Bills being right there.

If they are both in the middle of the pack, then I say you can trade down one of them to a low first and go with a RT.

If they have both and stay around mid 1st round, you are right, I say we go 2 defensive players and get a right side OL in the 2nd round.

DeyDurkie5;1680657 wrote: Were you the guy who tried to hug Johnny last weekend?

Sonofanump;1680659 wrote:Calling you out BR1986, put him on ignore for my sake.

bases_loaded;1680674 wrote:Found this on Reddit....and think it belongs here. An unbiased source explaining a picture of Johnny on the phone after his TD drive.

For those of you who want context:
Johnny Manziel is an NFL rookie who got to play in a professional game for the first time yesterday. In college, he was an award-winning, "put the team on his back" type of athlete who earned notoriety for his arrogant, "no fucks given" attitude on and off of the field.
The franchise he plays for has kept him on the bench all season, as is the "traditional" strategy for getting a rookie quarterback acclimated to professional competition.
Yesterday his team's starting quarterback was struggling, and in an attempt to change the momentum of the game, he was subbed in for the starting quarterback.
The image you see is him after successfully leading his team to a much-needed touchdown shortly after taking the field. He is on a phone talking to team personnel that are situated indoors, away from the field.
Fortunately (I say fortunately, because I was rooting for the opposite team), his smug grin was wiped clean from his face as the Bills continued to pound the ball down the throats of the Cleveland Browns, leaving Johnny Manziel an impossibly short amount of time to lead a comeback. With under three minutes remaining in the game, he was then laid out by a big, bad man named Kyle Williams, who knocked him over like a plank of wood.

SportsAndLady;1680676 wrote:??

SportsAndLady;1680679 wrote:So many places to go with that, I'm just gonna say that was retarded and end it there

se-alum;1680680 wrote:I would guess yesterday was a microcosm of what we should expect from Manziel. Leading 80 yard drives, then giving up a touchdown on a bad play(let's be honest, the officials blew that call, it was a fumble).

se-alum;1680680 wrote:I would guess yesterday was a microcosm of what we should expect from Manziel. Leading 80 yard drives, then giving up a touchdown on a bad play(let's be honest, the officials blew that call, it was a fumble).

bases_loaded;1680683 wrote:You won't be happy until its just 3 of you circle jerking over the same take.

bases_loaded;1680687 wrote:That might have been the first play in years the Browns "got the call". Teflon John. Jerrod Cherry was acting as if you have to run a vanilla offense this week if Johnny is in. It looked like he was audibling fine yesterday. I don't care who is at QB as long as we have a chance to win. The defense is constantly putting the offense in position to score and they are coming away with field goals. Last week we got away with it, this week we didn't. I wanted the home town boy to be the savior of Cleveland, but his losses are bad and his wins aren't very good either.

bases_loaded;1680692 wrote:I have never cheered against any QB of the Browns. Winning is better than anything.

SportsAndLady;1680688 wrote: And that you seemed to be cheering against manziel..? As a Browns fan..?

BR1986FB;1680694 wrote:Agreed. Don't who is back there, as long as he isn't raping college chicks in bathroom stalls. Just want to see wins.

The FG's (and getting knocked out of FG range after taking a sack), after Haden picking the ball off inside of the opponents 30 in two consectutive weeks are maddening.