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Mar 12, 2014 7:25 PM
I'm must glad the Browns are finally acting like a franchise that wouldn't mind winning some games!
Mar 12, 2014 7:25pm
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like_that;1589550 wrote:Luck is far more valuable than wright, Floyd, sweed, Jenkins, Crabtree....

/durkie logic
Lol not at all. Watkins is a difference maker at the position the same way julio was/is. If zwick personally feels none of the QBs are worth it this year then his logic is sound. Jags vikings browns all reached on QBs and look where all 3 of us are. Don't get defensive now, it's just the other side of your argument. I'm not calling you out.
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Mar 12, 2014 7:32 PM
HighRoller74;1589534 wrote:Not to mention that. Outside of Welker, who was able to latch on with another amazing QB.

Look at Richard Seymour, Deion Branch, Vrabel, etc.

He knows when to let people walk.
Seymour has been as good with Oakland as he was with New England, same with Branch and Seattle. Vrabel was 34yrs old when he left New England. I'd take a 27 year old Edelman in a heartbeat for the right money.
Mar 12, 2014 7:32pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:33 PM
Durkie I'd rather have Jones than Weeden/Trich, but I'd much rather have Aldon Smith/JJ Watt/Robert Quinn/Muhammad Wilkerson than Jones.
Mar 12, 2014 7:33pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:33 PM
DeyDurkie5;1589554 wrote:Lol not at all. Watkins is a difference maker at the position the same way julio was/is. If zwick personally feels none of the QBs are worth it this year then his logic is sound. Jags vikings browns all reached on QBs and look where all 3 of us are. Don't get defensive now, it's just the other side of your argument. I'm not calling you out.
That's my whole point. I'd agree with like_that if there was a qb that was worth the pick. I just don't feel there's anyone at 4 who's so much better than what you'd get at 26 this year. That's the only reason I'd take Watkins.
if the browns take a qb at 4 I won't be mad bc they need a qb and know a lot more than I do. I just wouldn't be surprised to see them take Watkins if he's there.
Mar 12, 2014 7:33pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:33 PM
Commander of Awesome;1589557 wrote:Durkie I'd rather have Jones than Weeden/Trich, but I'd much rather have Aldon Smith/JJ Watt/Robert Quinn/Muhammad Wilkerson than Jones.
Agreed.
Mar 12, 2014 7:33pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:34 PM
GoChiefs;1589552 wrote:Just some nobodies on Twitter. Nothing to put any faith in.
Was it incarcerated bob lol?
Mar 12, 2014 7:34pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:35 PM
DeyDurkie5;1589554 wrote:Lol not at all. Watkins is a difference maker at the position the same way julio was/is. If zwick personally feels none of the QBs are worth it this year then his logic is sound. Jags vikings browns all reached on QBs and look where all 3 of us are. Don't get defensive now, it's just the other side of your argument. I'm not calling you out.
Fair enough.

I'm not placing tbw/manziel/bortles at the same level as the guys you listed though.
Mar 12, 2014 7:35pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:36 PM
like_that;1589560 wrote:Was it incarcerated bob lol?
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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1589558 wrote:That's my whole point. I'd agree with like_that if there was a qb that was worth the pick. I just don't feel there's anyone at 4 who's so much better than what you'd get at 26 this year. That's the only reason I'd take Watkins.
if the browns take a qb at 4 I won't be mad bc they need a qb and know a lot more than I do. I just wouldn't be surprised to see them take Watkins if he's there.
I'm just simply not a fan of taking a WR that high since we already 2 great options to throw to. I'd rather get a defensive player or trade down if Watkins was the only option.
Mar 12, 2014 7:36pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:38 PM
like_that;1589563 wrote:I'm just simply not a fan of taking a WR that high since we already 2 great options to throw to. I'd rather get a defensive player or trade down if Watkins was the only option.
This times a 1000000. ESP since this yrs crop of wrs is the deepest ever. Can legit get first round value late 2 early 3rd. Give me TBW/Bortles/Barr/Mack and a guard then a guy like Beckman in the 2nd.
Mar 12, 2014 7:38pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:39 PM
like_that;1589560 wrote:Was it incarcerated bob lol?
Adam Schelfter.
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Mar 12, 2014 7:43 PM
Fwiw I would take Bridgewater at 4 and mack/Mosley/shazier at 26 and beckham if he's still there in the 2nd off Watkins is gone
Mar 12, 2014 7:43pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:46 PM
se-alum;1589556 wrote:Seymour has been as good with Oakland as he was with New England, same with Branch and Seattle. Vrabel was 34yrs old when he left New England. I'd take a 27 year old Edelman in a heartbeat for the right money.
Deion Branch-
Final Year with NE: 76 catches, 1000 yards 5 TDs

Best year with Seattle : 53 Catches 725 4 TDs (came in year immediately following trade, went downhill fast.)

You and I agree on this though, if the money is right I'd take him, but more than likely money is gonna be high.
Mar 12, 2014 7:46pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:47 PM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1589568 wrote:Fwiw I would take Bridgewater at 4 and mack/Mosley/shazier at 26 and beckham if he's still there in the 2nd off Watkins is gone
Mack isn't making it out of the top 10, maybe not the top 5.
Mar 12, 2014 7:47pm
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se-alum;1589570 wrote:Mack isn't making it out of the top 10, maybe not the top 5.
If TBW/Bortles is gone I'd want to take Mack. Dude's a stud.
Mar 12, 2014 7:47pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:48 PM
like_that;1589560 wrote:Was it incarcerated bob lol?
actually the guy who is going with it is a legit source - but the trade isn't going to happen (mostly speculative inquiry on our end)
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Mar 12, 2014 7:48 PM
se-alum;1589570 wrote:Mack isn't making it out of the top 10, maybe not the top 5.
Yeah probably not. He's certainly the best at the position.
Mar 12, 2014 7:48pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:53 PM
HighRoller74;1589569 wrote:Deion Branch-
Final Year with NE: 76 catches, 1000 yards 5 TDs

Best year with Seattle : 53 Catches 725 4 TDs (came in year immediately following trade, went downhill fast.)

You and I agree on this though, if the money is right I'd take him, but more than likely money is gonna be high.
In New England he averaged 53 catches, 686 yards and 4tds.

In Seattle he averaged 44 catches, 554 yards and 4tds.

Outside of the one anomaly season, he averaged basically his Seattle numbers every year.
Mar 12, 2014 7:53pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:54 PM
Commander of Awesome;1589571 wrote:If TBW/Bortles is gone I'd want to take Mack. Dude's a stud.
Yep, I've said from the very beginning that Bortles and Mack are my favorite two in the draft. I can see Mack as a Pro Bowler his rookie season.
Mar 12, 2014 7:54pm
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Mar 12, 2014 7:58 PM
se-alum;1589574 wrote:In New England he averaged 53 catches, 686 yards and 4tds.

In Seattle he averaged 44 catches, 554 yards and 4tds.

Outside of the one anomaly season, he averaged basically his Seattle numbers every year.
Right, same could be said with Edleman though right, thus making the point, that BB is smart enough to let a guy walk when he knows he's either going down hill, or was a one year wonder.

Avgs: 35 catches, 354 yards, 2 TD
Mar 12, 2014 7:58pm
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Mar 12, 2014 8:07 PM
HighRoller74;1589578 wrote:Right, same could be said with Edleman though right, thus making the point, that BB is smart enough to let a guy walk when he knows he's either going down hill, or was a one year wonder.

Avgs: 35 catches, 354 yards, 2 TD
This was Edelman's first year to be the main slot guy with Welker gone. You think Edelman would go from 105 catches back down to 30-35 if he stayed in New England? If he leaves, it's because of money, not because Belichick foresees an 70 catch drop off.
Mar 12, 2014 8:07pm
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Mar 12, 2014 8:14 PM
se-alum;1589580 wrote:This was Edelman's first year to be the main slot guy with Welker gone. You think Edelman would go from 105 catches back down to 30-35 if he stayed in New England? If he leaves, it's because of money, not because Belichick foresees an 70 catch drop off.
Right, I believe that Belichick feels if he resigns him at the coin he's wanting will be a bad investment, as it pretty much proves any one he puts in to that role, in that offense will put those numbers up. If you could get him for a deal similar to what Andrew Hawkins signed would be wise, anything more than that, unless you have a top 5 QB you won't see a return on your investment.
Mar 12, 2014 8:14pm
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Mar 12, 2014 8:53 PM
Hawkins was a sneaky good attempt. No thanks on edelman. Mack Watkins sounds solid at 4. Manziel if he is there.
Mar 12, 2014 8:53pm
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Mar 12, 2014 9:10 PM
Jim Donovan reporting Tate and Browns meeting meow. Guessing now that revis has gone they are going to start spending
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