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Aug 28, 2014 8:29 PM
Gilbert. Yikes. Backup corners looking terrible again.
Aug 28, 2014 8:29pm
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Aug 28, 2014 8:30 PM
Wow Gilbert looks bad. The 1st round isn't the place to strengthen your bench boys.

Santonio Holmes is someone we easily could have picked up!
Aug 28, 2014 8:30pm
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Aug 28, 2014 8:30 PM
Laley23;1648517 wrote:I havent been able to see any preseason action...is Gilbert going to start for this team?

I loved the pick, as I thought he was a stud, and going against the #2s was going to mean we had 2 shutdown CBs...but if he doesnt start, even if he proves to be integral part of the team, it seems like a bit of a waste when Browns needed so much WR/help elsewhere.
And right on cue, Gilbert looks bad and whiffs on Holmes and they score
Aug 28, 2014 8:30pm
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Aug 28, 2014 8:37 PM
Manziel is so uncomfortable in the pocket, jittery feet.
Aug 28, 2014 8:37pm
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Aug 28, 2014 8:45 PM
lol wtf
Aug 28, 2014 8:45pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:19 PM
McFadden is brutal.

Even though it was against Chicago's 2's & 3's, it was nice to see Hoyer and the 1's put together a controlled, solid drive.

1st team defense giving up WAY too much against Chicago's #3 offense.

Manziel looks electric at times and clueless at others. Not comparing their overall skillsets but it sure as hell looks like JFF has "Brady Quinn/Charlie Frye/Colt McCoy Syndrome" when throwing the deep ball, inaccurate/underthrown/wounded ducks. Hopefully he grows out of this but I'm skeptical.
Aug 28, 2014 9:19pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:36 PM
He hasn't played a real NFL game yet and has played with scrubs all preseason. The reaction to this guy when he makes a mistake is unbelievable. How do you expect him to be? Bortles isn't starting over Chad Henne. Bridgewater isn't starting over Cassel.
Aug 28, 2014 9:36pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:38 PM
Pick6;1648548 wrote:He hasn't played a real NFL game yet and has played with scrubs all preseason. The reaction to this guy when he makes a mistake is unbelievable. How do you expect him to be? Bortles isn't starting over Chad Henne. Bridgewater isn't starting over Cassel.
As I said before, I havent seen any preseason games of the Browns. But, the ducks have to be worrisome. Bad plays and bad throws not nearly as much as not being able to throw a spiral when going downfield.
Aug 28, 2014 9:38pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:40 PM
He doesn't have a natural throwing motion to me, it's not fluent at all. He seems to just throw it as hard as he can and his accuracy suffers because of it.
Aug 28, 2014 9:40pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:46 PM
I dont really get why JFF doesnt just play the rest of the game lol.
Aug 28, 2014 9:46pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:48 PM
robj55;1648550 wrote:He doesn't have a natural throwing motion to me, it's not fluent at all. He seems to just throw it as hard as he can and his accuracy suffers because of it.
And as horrible as people make it out to be, his accuracy is still better than Hoyer's. Like I said, overly critical. Do you expect him to come in and be perfect, or ever be perfect? I don't. But damn, give him a chance to grow before we call him Brady fucking Quinn. He's already better than those bums ever were.
Aug 28, 2014 9:48pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:50 PM
Pick6;1648552 wrote:And as horrible as people make it out to be, his accuracy is still better than Hoyer's. Like I said, overly critical. Do you expect him to come in and be perfect, or ever be perfect? I don't. But damn, give him a chance to grow before we call him Brady fucking Quinn. He's already better than those bums ever were.
He's better than them based on what? And I disagree about him being more accurate than Hoyer, definitely not.
Aug 28, 2014 9:50pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:51 PM
I find it laughable scrubs like Weeden were given two seasons when Manziel is being written off before he has ever even played a real game. He hasn't looked horrible. He's looked a lot like a rookie to me with things to work on, but a lot of potential.
Aug 28, 2014 9:51pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:52 PM
robj55;1648553 wrote:He's better than them based on what? And I disagree about him being more accurate than Hoyer, definitely not.
Stats don't lie. His completion % has been better all season. This is playing with guys who cant make an intermediate catch. Hoyer also hasn't played exclusively against 1s.
Aug 28, 2014 9:52pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:53 PM
robj55;1648553 wrote:He's better than them based on what? And I disagree about him being more accurate than Hoyer, definitely not.
Much more accurate than Hoyer. Dropped passes again skewed his numbers.
Aug 28, 2014 9:53pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:54 PM
Pick6;1648555 wrote:Stats don't lie.
Neither do eye balls, he has been all over the place missing throws, and he has happy feet in the pocket. Has a lot of work to do before he is a starting qb in this league, not saying he can't get there.
Aug 28, 2014 9:54pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:55 PM
Footwedge;1648556 wrote:Much more accurate than Hoyer. Dropped passes again skewed his numbers.
6/17 against 3rd stringers, have you seen some of his throws? You gloss over everything he does poorly, Skip Bayless?
Aug 28, 2014 9:55pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:56 PM
robj55;1648525 wrote:Manziel is so uncomfortable in the pocket, jittery feet.
Manziel was very comfortable in the pocket tonight.
Aug 28, 2014 9:56pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:56 PM
Pick6;1648555 wrote:Stats don't lie. His completion % has been better all season. This is playing with guys who cant make an intermediate catch. Hoyer also hasn't played exclusively against 1s.
The #1s arent exactly catching everything Hoyer throws either.

PFF had an article on Gilbert or maybe stats were posted on reddit. But Gilbert has been gettin toasted this pre season, hopefully its just him getting adjusted to the game speed. I liked that pick, he seemed like he was gonna be a stud
Aug 28, 2014 9:56pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:56 PM
Footwedge;1648560 wrote:Manziel was very comfortable in the pocket tonight.
lol
Aug 28, 2014 9:56pm
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Aug 28, 2014 9:57 PM
KB0938;1648561 wrote:The #1s arent exactly catching everything Hoyer throws either.

PFF had an article on Gilbert or maybe stats were posted on reddit. But Gilbert has been gettin toasted this pre season, hopefully its just him getting adjusted to the game speed. I liked that pick, he seemed like he was gonna be a stud
I agree. But the fact remains that Hoyer has been throwing to better talent while being protected by a much better line. Gilbert does need to step his shit up as well.
Aug 28, 2014 9:57pm
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Aug 28, 2014 10:02 PM
robj55;1648559 wrote:6/17 against 3rd stringers, have you seen some of his throws? You gloss over everything he does poorly, Skip Bayless?
He had some bad throws...yes. But for the season he's been a lot more accurate than Hoyer. Again, his first throw was dropped for a 45 yard gain and another was dropped for a 15 yard gain. That doesn't count???This so called competition is a joke. Manziel moved this team up and down the field all night in spite of the drops. This Hoyer experiment needs to end...real soon.Moreover, people forget that rookies grow. P Manning had 28 picks his first season. Aikman was worse. Manziel will be all pro sooner than later. The longer the coach waits in playing the best talent, the longer the franchise will suffer.
Aug 28, 2014 10:02pm
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Aug 28, 2014 10:09 PM
robj55;1648562 wrote:lol
Weren't you the one that said Manziel wont be able to scramble/ run in this league? How'd he do tonight?
Aug 28, 2014 10:09pm
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Aug 28, 2014 10:10 PM
For those that somehow think Manziel is not as accurate as Hoyer... Manziel 69% completion rate in college...Hoyer 55%. There is simply no argument on that.
Aug 28, 2014 10:10pm
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Aug 28, 2014 10:14 PM
Footwedge;1648568 wrote:For those that somehow think Manziel is not as accurate as Hoyer... Manziel 69% completion rate in college...Hoyer 55%. There is simply no argument on that.
I agree with you....BUT

College stats mean dick, in the NFL.

If they mattered Timmy Chang would be putting the finishing touches on his HOF Career, and Case Keenum, would be transforming the league.
Aug 28, 2014 10:14pm