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Aug 14, 2014 9:40 AM
sleeper;1644079 wrote:I'm going to be an NFL GM one day. Going to absolutely crush the fuck out of the Browns every year because their fans think drafting QBs in the first round every year = championship.
You never played football. Impossible.
Aug 14, 2014 9:40am
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Aug 14, 2014 9:47 AM
BR1986FB;1644081 wrote:Again, where did I say I "agree" with their opinion? And where am I using a national analysts opinion as my own? It's pretty clear I said I want to see what Manziel can do before judging him.
Come on..
Aug 14, 2014 9:47am
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Aug 14, 2014 9:51 AM
SportsAndLady;1644084 wrote:Come on..
It's crazy really
Aug 14, 2014 9:51am
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Aug 14, 2014 11:27 AM
sleeper;1644079 wrote:I'm going to be an NFL GM one day. Going to absolutely crush the fuck out of the Browns every year because their fans think drafting QBs in the first round every year = championship.
Top 18 QBs last year by QBR and the round they were drafted in...
P. Manning 1
P. Rivers 1
D. Brees 1
N. Foles 3
A. Rodgers 1
C. Kaepernick 2
J. Cutler 1
A. Luck 1
M. Ryan 1
T. Brady 6
T. Romo Und
R. Wilson 3
C. Newton 1
A. Dalton 2
R. Fitzpatrick 7
B. Roethlisberger 1
M. Stafford 1
C. Palmer 1
7 of the top 9 were 1st round picks and 11 out of the 18 were 1st round picks. Math, logic, and statistics says you take your franchise QB in the first round.

Obviously you were using hyperbole with the "every year" thing so I won't discuss that.
Aug 14, 2014 11:27am
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Aug 14, 2014 11:29 AM
jmog;1644137 wrote:Top 18 QBs last year by QBR and the round they were drafted in...
P. Manning 1
P. Rivers 1
D. Brees 1
N. Foles 3
A. Rodgers 1
C. Kaepernick 2
J. Cutler 1
A. Luck 1
M. Ryan 1
T. Brady 6
T. Romo Und
R. Wilson 3
C. Newton 1
A. Dalton 2
R. Fitzpatrick 7
B. Roethlisberger 1
M. Stafford 1
C. Palmer 1
7 of the top 9 were 1st round picks and 11 out of the 18 were 1st round picks. Math, logic, and statistics says you take your franchise QB in the first round.

Obviously you were using hyperbole with the "every year" thing so I won't discuss that.
And how many 1st round QBs fail? Convenient you left off that statistic. You can find it another thread; I did all the research and proved the point easily with zero counters. If you don't draft a QB #1 overall, the odds are very high that player will bust out.
Aug 14, 2014 11:29am
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Aug 14, 2014 12:27 PM
BR if you post a national writer's opinion and don't say you disagree or that you're presenting without comment, the presumption is you're endorsing those comments. That is the point Durkie and others are trying to make.
Aug 14, 2014 12:27pm
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Aug 14, 2014 12:33 PM
lhslep134;1644157 wrote:BR if you post a national writer's opinion and don't say you disagree or that you're presenting without comment, the presumption is you're endorsing those comments. That is the point Durkie and others are trying to make.
Guess I wasn't clear that I didn't think they should use another 1st on a QB next year when they just got Manziel.
Aug 14, 2014 12:33pm
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Aug 14, 2014 12:53 PM
BR1986FB;1644158 wrote:Guess I wasn't clear that I didn't think they should use another 1st on a QB next year when they just got Manziel.

I mean I didn't necessarily interpret it that way (you saying we should take another QB), but that's also after reading this page before going back to last page. I can see where both of you guys are coming from. Just a minor miscommunication.
Aug 14, 2014 12:53pm
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Aug 14, 2014 1:29 PM
sleeper;1644139 wrote:And how many 1st round QBs fail? Convenient you left off that statistic. You can find it another thread; I did all the research and proved the point easily with zero counters. If you don't draft a QB #1 overall, the odds are very high that player will bust out.
Considering QB is the most highlighted position and there are only 1 on the field (not like LB or CB for instance) of course teams draft more QBs per need on the field than any other position so yes there would be a higher percentage of busts.

However, I notice you don't actually counter my statistics there, 7 of 9 and 11 of 18 top QBs from last year were first round picks.

I'm sorry, but for the most part, you aren't finding top tier "hidden talent" QBs in later rounds. Not with the fact that teams are so fast to draft a QB since it is a huge need in the NFL and it is more "sexy" than an OLineman.

Heck, Dallas was going to draft Manziel in the first and they have ZERO need for a QB since Romo is a top 10 QB year in and year out. Why? Because it was "sexy".

You do not find many talented QBs past round 2, it just doesn't happen. And please don't give me Brady/Romo, the exceptions don't change the rule.

Last year, there were 14 QBs taken in the draft, for 32 teams.
By comparison, there were 44 OLinemen taken. By shear numbers on the field (5 vs 1) there should be 70 OLinemen taken if there are 14 QBs (or only 8 QBs for 44 OL).

And last year it was about the same, 11 QBs vs 41 OL.

Why? Because QBs are taken and taken much earlier than they "should" compared to other positions. Teams will die reaching for a QB because of the current state and rules of the game they are the most important position on the field. For this reason if you wait, like you suggest, you are stuck with drafting a 7th round talent in the 4th round.

The opposite is true for RBs now, but that's a whole different story.
Aug 14, 2014 1:29pm
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Aug 14, 2014 1:55 PM
You certainly don't find talented QBs past #1 overall either. That is the exception not the rule.
Aug 14, 2014 1:55pm
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Aug 14, 2014 2:37 PM
sleeper;1644200 wrote:You certainly don't find talented QBs past #1 overall either. That is the exception not the rule.
False again, but why let facts get in the way of your opinion?

Of the top 10 on that list, only Peyton was #1 overall.
Of the whole list only 4, add in Stafford, Palmer, and Newton...and all 3 of them were basically the bottom of that list.
Aug 14, 2014 2:37pm
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Aug 14, 2014 2:53 PM
jmog;1644217 wrote:False again, but why let facts get in the way of your opinion?

Of the top 10 on that list, only Peyton was #1 overall.
Of the whole list only 4, add in Stafford, Palmer, and Newton...and all 3 of them were basically the bottom of that list.

You forgot about Luck. But I mean your point is still valid. Only 2 in the top 10 went #1 overall and only 5 of the top 18.
Aug 14, 2014 2:53pm
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Aug 14, 2014 3:01 PM
Iliketurtles;1644223 wrote:You forgot about Luck. But I mean your point is still valid. Only 2 in the top 10 went #1 overall and only 5 of the top 18.
Yup, it was a quick scan and ran past Luck.
Aug 14, 2014 3:01pm
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Aug 14, 2014 3:17 PM
And only one is the reigning Super Bowl champion: 3rd round draft pick R. Wilson.
Aug 14, 2014 3:17pm
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Aug 14, 2014 3:41 PM
sleeper;1644227 wrote:And only one is the reigning Super Bowl champion: 3rd round draft pick R. Wilson.
I have already gone back and shown you the stats on super bowl champions being 1st round picks as well, I am not rehashing that for you since you refuse to see the facts.
Aug 14, 2014 3:41pm
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Aug 14, 2014 3:46 PM
Looks like Hoyer was given the starting nod.

Queue IQQY.
Aug 14, 2014 3:46pm
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Aug 14, 2014 4:01 PM
HighRoller74;1644232 wrote:Looks like Hoyer was given the starting nod.

Queue IQQY.
Of course he was.

Pettine has a major league hard-on for the guy for some reason. I've been saying since day 1 that the competition was a sham because Pettine has a man crush on Hoyer.

The guy is looking more and more like Mangini with his general animus toward anything capable of scoring points or providing some semblance of excitement.

In his perfect world we'd be playing 9-6 games every week.

He shouldn't be allowed any say in anything offensive as he is clueless. Every team he's coached on in the NFL has been wildly offensively challenged. It's in his blood, and it's all he knows.

Shannahan should be running that side of the ball exclusively and telling Pettine to buzz off.
Aug 14, 2014 4:01pm
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Aug 14, 2014 4:08 PM
HighRoller74;1644232 wrote:Looks like Hoyer was given the starting nod.

Queue IQQY.
Against the Redskins? Game 1? Got a link?
Aug 14, 2014 4:08pm
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Aug 15, 2014 7:55 AM
Just received an email last night from a vendor informing me that I have 4 tix to the 10/12 game (and you know who that's against)....WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 15, 2014 7:55am
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Aug 15, 2014 7:57 AM
So recently it was reported that the Gordon decision would likely come down by the end of business today. Now, Schefter is saying it could be another week? If Gordon gets the full year, old Goodell really is giving it to the Browns, minus the Vaseline, as Gordon won't be available until the 3rd preaseason game in 2015, unless that game falls on a Thursday which will mean the 4th game.
Aug 15, 2014 7:57am
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Aug 15, 2014 8:27 AM
BR1986FB;1644355 wrote:So recently it was reported that the Gordon decision would likely come down by the end of business today. Now, Schefter is saying it could be another week? If Gordon gets the full year, old Goodell really is giving it to the Browns, minus the Vaseline, as Gordon won't be available until the 3rd preaseason game in 2015, unless that game falls on a Thursday which will mean the 4th game.
I would expect it to go to court if that is the case. The nba sold the clippers quicker than the NFL can make a decision on somebody who fucking smoked pot.
Aug 15, 2014 8:27am
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Aug 15, 2014 8:34 AM
BR1986FB;1644355 wrote:So recently it was reported that the Gordon decision would likely come down by the end of business today. Now, Schefter is saying it could be another week? If Gordon gets the full year, old Goodell really is giving it to the Browns, minus the Vaseline, as Gordon won't be available until the 3rd preaseason game in 2015, unless that game falls on a Thursday which will mean the 4th game.
But iggy told me 4:59 tonight!!!!!!
Aug 15, 2014 8:34am
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BR1986FB

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Aug 15, 2014 8:39 AM
SportsAndLady;1644366 wrote:But iggy told me 4:59 tonight!!!!!!
LOL...I don't know about that 4:59 BS but several reports said it was supposed to be today. Yes, Gordon's a dumbass but if this drags another week, the Browns are getting hosed.
Aug 15, 2014 8:39am