se-alum;1560821 wrote:I don't get drafting a QB, just for the sake of drafting a QB with the 1st pick. I mean, I definitely want Bridgewater or Bortles, but do you want the Browns to just go ahead and draft Manziel because he's a QB, instead of Clowney if he's available?

Pick6;1560828 wrote:Clowney is the most overrated player in the draft.

se-alum;1560821 wrote:I don't get drafting a QB, just for the sake of drafting a QB with the 1st pick. I mean, I definitely want Bridgewater or Bortles, but do you want the Browns to just go ahead and draft Manziel because he's a QB, instead of Clowney if he's available?

like_that;1560832 wrote:I am not a fan of drafting a QB for the sake of drafting a QB. We did that with Weeden, and saw the outcome of that. I think any of the top guys can make Cleveland better. I am not down on Manziel like you or others who have stated so.



I disagree. When that guy shows up to play he is a monster. The problem is getting his ass into gear. He might be drafted, make his money, and not GAF anymore.

SportsAndLady;1560840 wrote:You're not drafting for the sake of drafting. It's the most important position so you should use your best pick on the position. Who said anything about manziel? You draft who you think is the best available.

And no fucking way do you draft clowney.

Let me know how Detroit and that great d-line is doing in terms of wins. St Louis too.

We already have 5 pro bowl players. Even if clowney is a pro bowler in his first year, is he really going to make that big of a difference?

SportsAndLady;1560840 wrote:You're not drafting for the sake of drafting. It's the most important position so you should use your best pick on the position. Who said anything about manziel? You draft who you think is the best available.

And no fucking way do you draft clowney.

Let me know how Detroit and that great d-line is doing in terms of wins. St Louis too.

We already have 5 pro bowl players. Even if clowney is a pro bowler in his first year, is he really going to make that big of a difference?

SportsAndLady;1560840 wrote:You're not drafting for the sake of drafting. It's the most important position so you should use your best pick on the position. Who said anything about manziel? You draft who you think is the best available.

And no fucking way do you draft clowney.

Let me know how Detroit and that great d-line is doing in terms of wins. St Louis too.

We already have 5 pro bowl players. Even if clowney is a pro bowler in his first year, is he really going to make that big of a difference?

se-alum;1560845 wrote:So even if you think you can get the same guy with your 2nd pick in the 1st, you take him with the first instead, just because he's a QB. Doesn't sound like an efficient way to run a draft.

like_that;1560847 wrote:None of those guys will be available with the 26th pick. We are looking at drafting someone like Mettenberger if we wait that late, and I want NOTHING to do with him.

se-alum;1560850 wrote:I agree, but that's not the logic S&L was using. Basically he's saying that even if Bridgewater, Bortles, and Manziel go 1-2-3, you take QB #4, even if he's a 2nd or 3rd round guy. I think you should take the best player on your board at that point, it may be a QB, it may not.

SportsAndLady;1560857 wrote:Where the fuck did I say draft a second round player 4th overall? A QB isn't going off the boards 1, 2, 3 so don't even bring up that unrealistic hypothetical.

like_that;1560862 wrote:It could if the Rams trade their pick.

wes_mantooth;1560864 wrote:This is the scenario that actually worries me. I worry that the Browns would be the dumbasses that would give up a bunch because they are worried

wes_mantooth;1560864 wrote:This is the scenario that actually worries me. I worry that the Browns would be the dumbasses that would give up a bunch because they are worried

SportsAndLady;1560857 wrote:Where the fuck did I say draft a second round player 4th overall? A QB isn't going off the boards 1, 2, 3 so don't even bring up that unrealistic hypothetical.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1560878 wrote:"Hey, let's trade up two spots to make sure no one jumps us and then draft a POS."

It pains me to relive many of the last few drafts... PLEASE don't screw this one up Breowns.

Pick6;1560870 wrote:I know I'll take some shit, but I'm starting to warm up to Manziel if Teddy isn't there, which is highly likely. His frame is a negative, but he's really good at avoiding contact. Can't think of him missing a game in two years. All of his numbers have improved over his Heisman season. Only thing that really worries me is his decision making. I seen Mike Evans bail him out too many times this season. But on the other hand he would be throwing to one of, if not the best young WRs in the NFL..

It's a pretty risk pick, definitely boom or bust, but right now I'm leaning more towards boom.

Sonofanump;1560894 wrote:The draft value chart says to move from #4 to #2 it is worth the #21 overall.

Sonofanump;1560894 wrote:The draft value chart says to move from #4 to #2 it is worth the #21 overall.

like_that;1560900 wrote:Is that chart depedent on the position you are drafting for? I can't see how #4 to #2 is worth moving up for any position other than QB.

Ironman92;1560897 wrote:Lord that seems like too much.

Sonofanump;1560911 wrote:I think that I would do it if I were the Browns. I'd much rather have Bortes than what would be left at #4 and they have plenty of picks later to get the WR/CB/S/OG/etc.