That is exactly what's going to happen. We'll then build depth on the D line with the 26th pick, and get mettenberger in the 4th round.Midstate01;1613913 wrote:I have this bad feeling we don't go qb at 4 and then have a guy sitting there at 26 we want, only to have someone trade ahead of us to get him. Every one knows they want a qb..
Hoyer isn't a long term solution but neither is blowing another high draft pick on a system QB from A&M. I'm not sure why NFL fans think that drafting a QB in the 1st round makes that QB a franchise QB. We've already had this debate on here and its one I won convincingly with no rebuttle; but essentially, if you aren't drafting a QB #1 overall, then you are wasting the pick on a QB later than that.SportsAndLady;1613915 wrote:Hoyer is gonna take us to the promise land?
I think spending a first round pick on bortles or bridgewater and having them sit and learn the system and the league for a year or two is absolutely a long term solution. No one is saying draft bortles and start him day one. But betting the house on hoyer to succeed with no real backup plan is exactly what has gotten us into a QB mess over the last 15 years.sleeper;1613917 wrote:Hoyer isn't a long term solution but neither is blowing another high draft pick on a system QB from A&M. I'm not sure why NFL fans think that drafting a QB in the 1st round makes that QB a franchise QB. We've already had this debate on here and its one I won convincingly with no rebuttle; but essentially, if you aren't drafting a QB #1 overall, then you are wasting the pick on a QB later than that.
More likely the Browns will panic and trade a couple of picks to move up one spot to get a guy when they dont have but were hornswaggled by the team saying someone else is wanting the spot to get the guy the browns wanted...the old use car salesman trick. think that has happend twice in recent memory...Midstate01;1613913 wrote:I have this bad feeling we don't go qb at 4 and then have a guy sitting there at 26 we want, only to have someone trade ahead of us to get him. Every one knows they want a qb..
So what makes Bortles or Bridgewater any different than all the other QBs the Browns have drafted over the years? Do I need to post the list again?SportsAndLady;1613920 wrote:I think spending a first round pick on bortles or bridgewater and having them sit and learn the system and the league for a year or two is absolutely a long term solution. No one is saying draft bortles and start him day one. But betting the house on hoyer to succeed with no real backup plan is exactly what has gotten us into a QB mess over the last 15 years.
I think the time you draft a QB in the first round and sit him is usually when you have an established starter already in place. Why do this and allow Hoyer to go through the ups and downs only to sit your first round pick and have that pick go through the same learning curve in a season or two? IT has been discussed many times before and those guys who usually did sit for a season plus, and who were drafted fairly high, had a starter they could count on to some pont.SportsAndLady;1613920 wrote:I think spending a first round pick on bortles or bridgewater and having them sit and learn the system and the league for a year or two is absolutely a long term solution. No one is saying draft bortles and start him day one. But betting the house on hoyer to succeed with no real backup plan is exactly what has gotten us into a QB mess over the last 15 years.
Lol you were literally made fun of for that horrible argument of yours.sleeper;1613922 wrote:So what makes Bortles or Bridgewater any different than all the other QBs the Browns have drafted over the years? Do I need to post the list again?
Hey thanks. This is the browns thread should be a squeelers thread somewhere on here, check the 3rd page.thavoice;1613923 wrote:I think the time you draft a QB in the first round and sit him is usually when you have an established starter already in place. Why do this and allow Hoyer to go through the ups and downs only to sit your first round pick and have that pick go through the same learning curve in a season or two? IT has been discussed many times before and those guys who usually did sit for a season plus, and who were drafted fairly high, had a starter they could count on to some pont.
Well for one, they don't blow asshole.sleeper;1613922 wrote:So what makes Bortles or Bridgewater any different than all the other QBs the Browns have drafted over the years?
Thavoice posts more on this thread than anyone else. It amuses me.Automatik;1613928 wrote:Gotta be Cleveland fan to comment?
WTF they decide do tonight is probably the hottest topic surrounding the draft...no?
Now here comes a retarded sleeper retortjmog;1613931 wrote:Just an FYI...
Of the 32 starting QBs last season, 22 were 1st round picks, 18 were picked in the first half of the first round (16th or earlier), 8 were #1 overalls.
Only 5 were selected after the 2nd round with only 2 selected after the 3rd round (Romo and Brady).
What am I getting at? There is about a 70% chance that if you want a starting QB, you better get him in the 1st round, and over 50% chance you better get him in the top half of the 1st round.
Because most of you are dead set on a failed strategy and think with emotions rather than logic. None of my argument was refuted but the GROUPTHINK on this thread was that JFF and Bridgewater are franchise QBs who will win multiple super bowls with the Browns.SportsAndLady;1613925 wrote:Lol you were literally made fun of for that horrible argument of yours.
First round QBs are the way to go.
Well you are welcome.SportsAndLady;1613926 wrote:Hey thanks. This is the browns thread should be a squeelers thread somewhere on here, check the 3rd page.
Just an FYI.jmog;1613931 wrote:Just an FYI...
Of the 32 starting QBs last season, 22 were 1st round picks, 18 were picked in the first half of the first round (16th or earlier), 8 were #1 overalls.
Only 5 were selected after the 2nd round with only 2 selected after the 3rd round (Romo and Brady).
What am I getting at? There is about a 70% chance that if you want a starting QB, you better get him in the 1st round, and over 50% chance you better get him in the top half of the 1st round.
Even with that said, with the depth at QB in the draft without any one shining as the top pick (like a Manning), I believe we can get a starter at 26, but if we wait until 35 we will be out of good options at QB. Either use 26 for a QB, or use the 35 and another to get a 3rd 1st rounder.
I am not a fan of JFF by any means (don't want the Browns to draft him) but the idea of drafting a starting QB in the first round is irrefutable by the statistics I posted above.sleeper;1613934 wrote:Because most of you are dead set on a failed strategy and think with emotions rather than logic. None of my argument was refuted but the GROUPTHINK on this thread was that JFF and Bridgewater are franchise QBs who will win multiple super bowls with the Browns.
Reality says otherwise.
Lolsleeper;1613934 wrote:Because most of you are dead set on a failed strategy and think with emotions rather than logic. None of my argument was refuted but the GROUPTHINK on this thread was that JFF and Bridgewater are franchise QBs who will win multiple super bowls with the Browns.
Reality says otherwise.
wouldn't surprise me at allSonofanump;1613937 wrote:Just a thought: #26 + #83 = #19
I have faith that you are wrong.jmog;1613939 wrote:I am not a fan of JFF by any means (don't want the Browns to draft him) but the idea of drafting a starting QB in the first round is irrefutable by the statistics I posted above.
Actually, all this tells me is that most personnel people/talent evaluators around the league know what they are doing and know what a starting QB looks like.jmog;1613931 wrote:Just an FYI...
Of the 32 starting QBs last season, 22 were 1st round picks, 18 were picked in the first half of the first round (16th or earlier), 8 were #1 overalls.
Only 5 were selected after the 2nd round with only 2 selected after the 3rd round (Romo and Brady).
What am I getting at? There is about a 70% chance that if you want a starting QB, you better get him in the 1st round, and over 50% chance you better get him in the top half of the 1st round.
Even with that said, with the depth at QB in the draft without any one shining as the top pick (like a Manning), I believe we can get a starter at 26, but if we wait until 35 we will be out of good options at QB. Either use 26 for a QB, or use the 35 and another to get a 3rd 1st rounder.
That the number one consensus QB from the day after the season ended has plummeted without playing a game indicates otherwise, or at least that they let themselves get distracted by nonsense. He'll be there at 26. Take him.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1613943 wrote:Actually, all this tells me is that most personnel people/talent evaluators around the league know what they are doing and know what a starting QB looks like.
