Dad4Sports;1392439 wrote:Yes....while not a 6-day time period, isn't this similar to what Bobby Smith just did?

Why is it that we assume that Bobby lost all the weight in 6 days? Perhaps he weighed in light, going down slowly from the beginning? I may be wrong, but if I recall correctly, he weighed in at 142 for brecksville... Just something to think about. I have watched Bobby wrestle over the years, he is a good kid. I dont think assuming rumors that he lost 20 lbs in 6 days is the answer. people should have facts and sources correct before making assumptions.

Ohio wrestler;1392814 wrote:Why is it that we assume that Bobby lost all the weight in 6 days? Perhaps he weighed in light, going down slowly from the beginning? I may be wrong, but if I recall correctly, he weighed in at 142 for brecksville... Just something to think about. I have watched Bobby wrestle over the years, he is a good kid. I dont think assuming rumors that he lost 20 lbs in 6 days is the answer. people should have facts and sources correct before making assumptions.

What are you talking about?? Better go back and read a little bit closer......

I never questioned the drop.....and NEVER made an assumption he "lost 20 lbs in 6 days". In fact, I wrote:

"Obviously, I don't have the details of his weight loss plan, but it theoretically could have gone like this....

1/31.....lowest allowable weight class 132 (134).....he weighs in at 134.1 which makes him eligible to bump to 145 (147).

2/6.....his weight loss plan now shows his lowest allowable weight as 126 (128). He weighs in at scratch....126....to certify."

I don't mind being corrected when I am wrong......but this time you are WAY OFF BASE!

Ohio wrestler;1392814 wrote:Why is it that we assume that Bobby lost all the weight in 6 days? Perhaps he weighed in light, going down slowly from the beginning? I may be wrong, but if I recall correctly, he weighed in at 142 for brecksville... Just something to think about. I have watched Bobby wrestle over the years, he is a good kid. I dont think assuming rumors that he lost 20 lbs in 6 days is the answer. people should have facts and sources correct before making assumptions.

That's about a 12 on the old tension scale, there Rube.

I don't think anyone was attacking or criticizing Smith. I think he was just used as a way to understand and talk through the issue. No offense to Bobby intended at all.

As evidenced by the banter on this thread, the rules appear about as clear as mud and reasoned people have different understandings of the rules. I admit that I thought I understood it, but that my understanding went out the window when a kid wrestles across 4 weight classes in a season and finishes at the lowest of them. Again, not questioning Bobby or his right to be at 126, it just throws everything I thought I knew into a loop.

Dust_E_Roads;1392824 wrote: I don't think anyone was attacking or criticizing Smith. I think he was just used as a way to understand and talk through the issue. No offense to Bobby intended at all.

That was my impression of this discussion as well.......let's face it, the weight management program is about as clear as our tax code. Like you, just when I think I have it figured out, I learn something new.

Ohio wrestler;1392814 wrote:Why is it that we assume that Bobby lost all the weight in 6 days? Perhaps he weighed in light, going down slowly from the beginning? I may be wrong, but if I recall correctly, he weighed in at 142 for brecksville... Just something to think about. I have watched Bobby wrestle over the years, he is a good kid. I dont think assuming rumors that he lost 20 lbs in 6 days is the answer. people should have facts and sources correct before making assumptions.

Since I started the thread, I'll answer. I had noticed that Bobby wrestled 145 on 1/31 and then at 126 on 2/6. I found that a remarkable jump, and wanted to understand the rules about wrestling up, because I did not think he lost that much weight in 6 days, but that he wrestled up a weight class or two. I had also skimmed the rules earlier this year about forfeiting weight classes by weighing in too heavy, so I was trying to understand how all of that worked. If you look back at the thread, I specifically did NOT name Bobby, and even used different weight classes in my original posts, because I was specifically NOT trying to call someone out about it. It wasn't until someone else mentioned Bobby that I acknowledged that was the inspiration for my original question. I was trying to understand how the rules work, not accuse anyone.

Dust_E_Roads;1392824 wrote:That's about a 12 on the old tension scale, there Rube.

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Did you just quote The Burbs!?!?!?!

I've seen it all now.

cruiser_96;1392832 wrote:Did you just quote The Burbs!?!?!?!

I've seen it all now.

Well played, Sir. Ding, ding, ding, you get the prize!

I feel like I understand the rule, not 100% sure that I will explain it correctly but I will try.

Alpha test establishes your minimum wrestling weight class in (usually done in Nov/Dec)
EX: You weigh 160 for alpha test minimum weight class based on body fat % is 145

-Now the state as established your lowest weight class you are allowed to wrestle during the year
EX 145

-Your weight loss plan of 1.5% body weight per week tells you to the day, when you can make each of the lower weight classes based on your body fat
EX 152 on Dec. 15th 145 on Jan 1st unable to make 138 because of body fat%

-The state does not monitor what you weigh in at each competition or practice (NCAA does for college)
EX you could weigh in at 160 all year and not lose any weight till the end (not recomended)

-The state does say you can not compete at weight class until the date reached on your weight loss plan
EX Dec 30th you have a tournament but lowest weight at that point is 146.1 you can not wrestle 145 (growth allowace can not help you here)

-You may compete at your lowest weight class whenever you want after the date established on your weight loss plan.
EX weight loss plan says you can make 145 on Jan. 1st, you don't have to make it on Jan. 1st you can wrestle 160 all year if you want and make scratch 145 at the sectional

Regarding bumping/jumping weight classes
EX b/c you can go up and down one weight class you could weigh in at 152 or 160 all year and not lose your certification for 145. You could weigh in at 160 and wrestle 170.
In fact before you make 152 you could weigh in at 170 and wrestle 182. However once you go down to 152 you can not weigh in above 160 or you would lose certification for 152 or 145
Once you make 145 you can not weigh in above 152 (however you can compete at 160 weighing in at 152)


Hope this helps, I get it but it doesn't mean I have explained it clearly

*lose

monarchpride;1392856 wrote:I feel like I understand the rule, not 100% sure that I will explain it correctly but I will try.

Alpha test establishes your minimum wrestling weight class in (usually done in Nov/Dec)
EX: You weigh 160 for alpha test minimum weight class based on body fat % is 145

-Now the state as established your lowest weight class you are allowed to wrestle during the year
EX 145

-Your weight loss plan of 1.5% body weight per week tells you to the day, when you can make each of the lower weight classes based on your body fat
EX 152 on Dec. 15th 145 on Jan 1st unable to make 138 because of body fat%

-The state does not monitor what you weigh in at each competition or practice (NCAA does for college)
EX you could weigh in at 160 all year and not lose any weight till the end (not recomended)

-The state does say you can not compete at weight class until the date reached on your weight loss plan
EX Dec 30th you have a tournament but lowest weight at that point is 146.1 you can not wrestle 145 (growth allowace can not help you here)

-You may compete at your lowest weight class whenever you want after the date established on your weight loss plan.
EX weight loss plan says you can make 145 on Jan. 1st, you don't have to make it on Jan. 1st you can wrestle 160 all year if you want and make scratch 145 at the sectional

Regarding bumping/jumping weight classes
EX b/c you can go up and down one weight class you could weigh in at 152 or 160 all year and not lose your certification for 145. You could weigh in at 160 and wrestle 170.
In fact before you make 152 you could weigh in at 170 and wrestle 182. However once you go down to 152 you can not weigh in above 160 or you would lose certification for 152 or 145
Once you make 145 you can not weigh in above 152 (however you can compete at 160 weighing in at 152)


Hope this helps, I get it but it doesn't mean I have explained it clearly

Seems pretty well explained. I got it.

monarchpride;1392856 wrote:I feel like I understand the rule, not 100% sure that I will explain it correctly but I will try.

Alpha test establishes your minimum wrestling weight class in (usually done in Nov/Dec)
EX: You weigh 160 for alpha test minimum weight class based on body fat % is 145

-Now the state as established your lowest weight class you are allowed to wrestle during the year
EX 145

-Your weight loss plan of 1.5% body weight per week tells you to the day, when you can make each of the lower weight classes based on your body fat
EX 152 on Dec. 15th 145 on Jan 1st unable to make 138 because of body fat%

-The state does not monitor what you weigh in at each competition or practice (NCAA does for college)
EX you could weigh in at 160 all year and not lose any weight till the end (not recomended)

-The state does say you can not compete at weight class until the date reached on your weight loss plan
EX Dec 30th you have a tournament but lowest weight at that point is 146.1 you can not wrestle 145 (growth allowace can not help you here)

-You may compete at your lowest weight class whenever you want after the date established on your weight loss plan.
EX weight loss plan says you can make 145 on Jan. 1st, you don't have to make it on Jan. 1st you can wrestle 160 all year if you want and make scratch 145 at the sectional

Regarding bumping/jumping weight classes
EX b/c you can go up and down one weight class you could weigh in at 152 or 160 all year and not lose your certification for 145. You could weigh in at 160 and wrestle 170.
In fact before you make 152 you could weigh in at 170 and wrestle 182. However once you go down to 152 you can not weigh in above 160 or you would lose certification for 152 or 145
Once you make 145 you can not weigh in above 152 (however you can compete at 160 weighing in at 152)


Hope this helps, I get it but it doesn't mean I have explained it clearly

well said !