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Jan 28, 2013 5:31 PM
Alex Smith also had the lowest percentage of passes in the entire NFL that traveled 15 yards or further, so you have to take his stats with a grain of salt. Literally, he is last in the NFL in that stat and Kaepernick is first I believe. Tells you all you need to know about what the coaches thought about Alex Smith, but also the added threat that Kaep is running the ball keeps the defense up.
Jan 28, 2013 5:31pm
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Jan 28, 2013 5:34 PM
Commander of Awesome;1376347 wrote:Not even against the Raiders? What about the first Bungals game? How about against the Cowgirls? Colts?
I was at the first Bengals game so maybe that's why I have a higher opinion on Weeden than most. He had a very good game throwing downfield against them, and seemed to me from watching bits and pieces of other games that when he was allowed to wing it downfield he actually looked solid. Second half against the Ravens game in Baltimore was another time to me where he looked good.
Jan 28, 2013 5:34pm
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Jan 28, 2013 5:35 PM
Terry_Tate;1376349 wrote:Alex Smith also had the lowest percentage of passes in the entire NFL that traveled 15 yards or further, so you have to take his stats with a grain of salt. Literally, he is last in the NFL in that stat and Kaepernick is first I believe. Tells you all you need to know about what the coaches thought about Alex Smith, but also the added threat that Kaep is running the ball keeps the defense up.
And there you have it. Pretty much nailed it.
Jan 28, 2013 5:35pm
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Jan 28, 2013 5:38 PM
Terry_Tate;1376353 wrote:I was at the first Bengals game so maybe that's why I have a higher opinion on Weeden than most. He had a very good game throwing downfield against them, and seemed to me from watching bits and pieces of other games that when he was allowed to wing it downfield he actually looked solid. Second half against the Ravens game in Baltimore was another time to me where he looked good.
I agree, when patty fuckhead took the diapers off and let him play to his ability he performed well. Biggest issue was play calling IMO.
Jan 28, 2013 5:38pm
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Jan 28, 2013 5:44 PM
Commander of Awesome;1376356 wrote:I agree, when patty fuckhead took the diapers off and let him play to his ability he performed well. Biggest issue was play calling IMO.
Play calling and he struggled in the 3-5-7 step drop. Put him in the shot gun and you'll see a big improvement.
Jan 28, 2013 5:44pm
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Jan 28, 2013 5:45 PM
Shurmur was too stubborn to adjust his offense to Weeden's strengths.
Jan 28, 2013 5:45pm
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Jan 28, 2013 5:50 PM
Commander of Awesome;1376356 wrote:patty fuckhead
I concur.
Jan 28, 2013 5:50pm
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Jan 28, 2013 6:00 PM
I hope you all are right, but I just don't see it. Weeden struggled in college when he didn't have all day to sit in the pocket, and much like McCoy, he was throwing to guys running wide open, so he just had to get the ball close. I will gladly enjoy my crow if I am wrong.
Jan 28, 2013 6:00pm
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Jan 28, 2013 6:37 PM
Wow. Why would the Browns fire Dick Jauron?
Jan 28, 2013 6:37pm
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Jan 28, 2013 6:48 PM
bigdaddy2003;1376394 wrote:Wow. Why would the Browns fire **** Jauron?

Because they already signed a new dc
Jan 28, 2013 6:48pm
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Jan 28, 2013 7:02 PM
bigdaddy2003;1376394 wrote:Wow. Why would the Browns fire **** Jauron?

Bc Horton > Jauron
Jan 28, 2013 7:02pm
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Jan 28, 2013 7:04 PM
No on Alex Smith.

As for Weeden? He might not be our QB. Sounds to me like it's going to be a truly open camp (ala Seattle Seahawks) between Weeden, McCoy, and a draft pick or FA (here's to hoping it's not a FA).

If Weeden performs well enough to earn the starting nod (which he will, IMO), then I'm fine with having to deal with him for another year because of the optimism him + downfield passing plan brings.
Jan 28, 2013 7:04pm
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Jan 28, 2013 7:12 PM
Crimson streak;1376409 wrote:Bc Horton > Jauron
I've never heard of him. Where has he coached?
Jan 28, 2013 7:12pm
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Jan 28, 2013 7:14 PM
bigdaddy2003;1376417 wrote:I've never heard of him. Where has he coached?

Arizona DC. He also was with the steelers (secondary coach 04-10)
Jan 28, 2013 7:14pm
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Jan 28, 2013 7:15 PM
lhslep134;1376411 wrote:No on Alex Smith.

As for Weeden? He might not be our QB. Sounds to me like it's going to be a truly open camp (ala Seattle Seahawks) between Weeden, McCoy, and a draft pick or FA (here's to hoping it's not a FA).

If Weeden performs well enough to earn the starting nod (which he will, IMO), then I'm fine with having to deal with him for another year because of the optimism him + downfield passing plan brings.
I think that sounds like an accurate assessment. I don't think Weeden will ever be a top 10 QB, but if they try to have an offense with a lot of downfield throwing I think Weeden can be solid to good, and flirt with 25-30 TDs. Good times are ahead in Cleveland IMO.
Jan 28, 2013 7:15pm
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Jan 28, 2013 7:18 PM
Weeden has a great arm....but piss poor pocket presence and poor decisions over and over are his downfall. Shitty draft for qbs this year, so I am content with going another route
Jan 28, 2013 7:18pm
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Jan 28, 2013 7:25 PM
bigdaddy2003;1376417 wrote:I've never heard of him. Where has he coached?
He's an attacking DC like Chud wanted. Jauron doesn't fit that mold.
Jan 28, 2013 7:25pm
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Jan 28, 2013 7:33 PM
Commander of Awesome;1376356 wrote:I agree, when patty fuckhead took the diapers off and let him play to his ability he performed well. Biggest issue was play calling IMO.
royal_k;1376360 wrote:Play calling and he struggled in the 3-5-7 step drop. Put him in the shot gun and you'll see a big improvement.
royal_k;1376362 wrote:Shurmur was too stubborn to adjust his offense to Weeden's strengths.
LOL
Jan 28, 2013 7:33pm
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Jan 28, 2013 7:49 PM
BR1986FB;1376291 wrote:You don't just grab a QB for the sake of grabbing one because he might be a marginal, at best, upgrade.
Haha, the irony in this is just too much for me.
Jan 28, 2013 7:49pm
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Jan 28, 2013 10:25 PM
SportsAndLady;1376438 wrote:Haha, the irony in this is just too much for me.
Reps
Jan 28, 2013 10:25pm
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Jan 29, 2013 7:54 AM
SportsAndLady;1376438 wrote:Haha, the irony in this is just too much for me.
Irony? What "irony?" I'm not Mr. Dumbass "Draft a QB every YEAR in the FIRST ROUND until you get it right." :rolleyes:
I'm the one who has been saying "you don't draft a QB just for the sake of drafting one" all along. I'm not the idiot who wants to draft one EVERY year, continually blowing 1st rounders.

They didn't draft Weeden just for the sake of grabbing a QB when he was an upgrade over McCoy.
Jan 29, 2013 7:54am
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Jan 29, 2013 8:01 AM
BR1986FB;1376649 wrote:Irony? What "irony?" I'm not Mr. Dumbass "Draft a QB every YEAR in the FIRST ROUND until you get it right." :rolleyes:
I'm the one who has been saying "you don't draft a QB just for the sake of drafting one" all along. I'm not the idiot who wants to draft one EVERY year, continually blowing 1st rounders.

They didn't draft Weeden just for the sake of grabbing a QB when he was an upgrade over McCoy.
So Weeden wasn't a marginal upgrade over McCoy? Both had 14 td's, Weeden had 6 more interceptions, same completion percentage. McCoy had a 74 QB rating, Weeden had a 72 QB rating. Weeden threw for more yards, but it didn't result in more TD passes, and the extra picks offset that. In fact, it could be considered a marginal downgrade.
Jan 29, 2013 8:01am
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Jan 29, 2013 8:10 AM
SportsAndLady;1376438 wrote:Haha, the irony in this is just too much for me.
Lulz
Jan 29, 2013 8:10am
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Jan 29, 2013 8:11 AM
Weeden was not a fucking upgrade. At least not last year. And by the time he potentially becomes an upgrade, he'll be 48 years old.

My problem with Weeds is that he's immobile. The league is evolving and unless you're amazingly good at picking apart defenses (see HOF QBs Manning/Brady/Brees...Rodgers), if you can't run you're fucked. Weeden can't run, and he's average at best at making decisions and getting the ball where it needs to be.
Jan 29, 2013 8:11am
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Jan 29, 2013 8:11 AM
se-alum;1376650 wrote:So Weeden wasn't a marginal upgrade over McCoy? Both had 14 td's, Weeden had 6 more interceptions, same completion percentage. McCoy had a 74 QB rating, Weeden had a 72 QB rating.
Yeah, he was. Weeden brought a different dynamic/threat that McCoy could never bring....the ability to throw the ball vertically. He may have sucked, at times, but at least teams had to gameplan for the threat of a vertical attack.

People got spoiled with the rookie seasons of RGIII & Russell Wilson. Those guys are exceptions, not the norm, as far as rookie QB stats go. Weeden's stats, although far from great, were not all that abnormal for a rookie. He just gets shit on because he's 29 years old and people expected him, at that age, to step in and be Peyton Manning as a rookie.

Unfortunately, as was mentioned by COA, Shurmur was a big reason for the QB issues. I used to think McCoy was an absolutely shitastic QB but I wonder what both he & Weeden will look like in Chud's offense (should McCoy still be here). I'd bet the farm that with the likely elimination of these short slant patterns that both McCoy & Weeden's batted down passes decrease significantly.

Let Weeden play in an offense that's more suited to his strengths for another year and if he sucks, next. Grabbing an Alex Smith is just a stopgap for when the next QB comes along. Why waste the money?
Jan 29, 2013 8:11am