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Jan 14, 2013 11:38 AM
Coach Ramirez;1365863 wrote:Not sure what "unbreakable tie" means? Grove City and West both had 27 pts in voting and Grove City is listed as #3 seed in final vote tally, but West is listed as #3 seed in bracket. Not sure what is going on there?
Maybe is was # of returning district qualifiers to break the tie or something along those lines?
Jan 14, 2013 11:38am
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monarchpride

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Jan 14, 2013 11:38 AM
Dont' know this but just a guess, listed alphabetically, then I am guessing for unbreakable tie they flipped a coin.
Again just a guess
Jan 14, 2013 11:38am
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bump_and_run

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Jan 14, 2013 1:03 PM
theviking;1365808 wrote:Region 6 B
1 Mt Vernon
8 reynoldsburg

5 pick noth
4 lancaster

3 TV
6 Lincoln

7 watkins
2 pick cent
lol didn't i just see somewhere that watkins finished fifth out of 34 teams at marion-elgin and they are only 7th best out of these 8? wow that's a tough region.
Jan 14, 2013 1:03pm
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Jan 14, 2013 1:33 PM
bump_and_run;1365925 wrote:lol didn't i just see somewhere that watkins finished fifth out of 34 teams at marion-elgin and they are only 7th best out of these 8? wow that's a tough region.
They are only seeded 7th because the coaches in that region collectively voted fr them to be 7th.

In addition, tournament teams are not always the same as a dual team from a success perspective. Scoring well in a tournament doesn't mean you have the breadth and depth to do well in a dual.
Jan 14, 2013 1:33pm
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bump_and_run

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Jan 14, 2013 2:09 PM
Con_Alma;1365950 wrote:They are only seeded 7th because the coaches in that region collectively voted fr them to be 7th.

In addition, tournament teams are not always the same as a dual team from a success perspective. Scoring well in a tournament doesn't mean you have the breadth and depth to do well in a dual.
I understand how the process works and was not questioning the seed -- just a sincere observation about the strength of the division they are in.

I also understand how a team does better in tournaments with a few of their kids getting multiple opportunities to log lots of bonus points with pins and what not, and I agree that watkins probably is that type of team.
Jan 14, 2013 2:09pm
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Cthelites

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Jan 14, 2013 5:51 PM
Cthelites;1365101 wrote:5B top seeds might be...

1 darby
2 westerville north
3 thomas
4 bradley

Maybe flip wn and tw with their big win over R6 top seed hdv
well I guess I had tw flipped with the wrong team...hmmmm!

1 darby
2 wn
3 bradley
4 tw
5 wk
6 ws
7 whetstone
8 na
Jan 14, 2013 5:51pm
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Cthelites

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Jan 14, 2013 10:15 PM
Id like to see the coaches votes on these seeds.
Is their a link?
Cruiser?
Jan 14, 2013 10:15pm
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Cthelites

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Jan 14, 2013 11:02 PM
Latest coaches poll(last week)
Top teams: 1. Marysville; 2. Mount Vernon; 3. Hilliard Davidson; 4. Hilliard Darby; 5. Delaware Hayes; 6. Thomas Worthington; 7. Westerville North; 8. Pickerington Central; 9. Olentangy Orange; 10. Teays Valley.

Others receiving top 10 votes: Olentangy Liberty (2).

Team rank in ( )
Sub Region ranking points in Bold ...1st gets 10 points and so on

Reg 5A: 17 pts
1. Marysville (1)
2. Delaware Hayes (6)
3. Olentangy Orange (9)
4. Ashland
5. Olentangy
6. Dublin Coffman
7. Westerville Central
8. Dublin Scioto

Reg 5B 16 pts
1. Hilliard Darby (4)
2. Westerville North (7)
3. Hilliard Bradley
4. Thomas Worthington (6)
5. Worthington Kilbourne
6. Westerville South
7. Whetstone
8. New Albany
Region 6A 8 pts
1) Hilliard Davidson (3)
2) Upper Arlington
3) Grove City
4) West
5) Westland
6) Central Crossing
7) Franklin Heights
8) Groveport Madison

Region 6B 12 pts
1 Mt Vernon (2)
2 pick cent (9)
3 TV (10)
4 lancaster
5 pick noth
6 Lincoln
7 watkins
8 reynoldsburg

Seems kind of out of whack.
And this is even after they moved Mt Vernon out of R 5A.
Should they do it like the sectional seedings?
Jan 14, 2013 11:02pm
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Jan 15, 2013 7:48 AM
Cthelites: Only the coaches who voted can access their region's voting info.

As far as sectional seeding-esque for the state duals... it's certainly an option. The OHSAA is trying it geographically this year. Or should I say, "geographically"?

One of the things I don't like is saying you are going to do it geographically, and then when the lines are drawn, saying, this isn't good based on competition level.
Jan 15, 2013 7:48am
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Jan 15, 2013 9:04 AM
The sectional seeding is typically "out of whack" as well. Plus, isn't the central district one of the few that still seeds teams and doesn't just assign them?
Jan 15, 2013 9:04am
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Cthelites

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Jan 15, 2013 9:09 AM
kennypowers;1366419 wrote:The sectional seeding is typically "out of whack" as well. Plus, isn't the central district one of the few that still seeds teams and doesn't just assign them?
Yes
Jan 15, 2013 9:09am
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Cthelites

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Jan 15, 2013 9:17 AM
cruiser_96;1366358 wrote:Cthelites: Only the coaches who voted can access their region's voting info.

As far as sectional seeding-esque for the state duals... it's certainly an option. The OHSAA is trying it geographically this year. Or should I say, "geographically"?

One of the things I don't like is saying you are going to do it geographically, and then when the lines are drawn, saying, this isn't good based on competition level.
Yes, I know, but Id like to see that. Im interested to see who exactly knows what is going on within their district.
Was reading over on crappi that some coaches didnt vote thus allowed them to gain higher seeding because for some unknown reason the votes werent averaged out.
I get that this is the first yr and there are going to be some kinks to work out but that is just a blatant lack of integrity! That should be corrected now and easily fixed by just taking the average.
Jan 15, 2013 9:17am
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Jan 15, 2013 9:24 AM
This will be interesting. Excites to see how this all plays put this year and what changes they will make for next year.
Jan 15, 2013 9:24am
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Cthelites

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Jan 15, 2013 10:52 AM
USMCdevil2005;1366441 wrote:This will be interesting. Excites to see how this all plays put this year and what changes they will make for next year.
Im with you!
I think it is GREAT for the sport!
Jan 15, 2013 10:52am
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Jan 15, 2013 11:22 AM
Cthelites;1366430 wrote:Yes, I know, but Id like to see that. Im interested to see who exactly knows what is going on within their district.
Was reading over on crappi that some coaches didnt vote thus allowed them to gain higher seeding because for some unknown reason the votes werent averaged out.
I get that this is the first yr and there are going to be some kinks to work out but that is just a blatant lack of integrity! That should be corrected now and easily fixed by just taking the average.
Aaaaah. Gotcha.

And trust me... you don't want to know! It's bad. I had a top 10 from a coach the other day that did NOT have Mount Vernon, but, mysteriously, had two other teams from their OCC division, and had them! (Needless to say, I did not advertise their team receiving a top 10 vote.) SMH...
Jan 15, 2013 11:22am
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Cthelites

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Jan 15, 2013 11:56 AM
cruiser_96;1366550 wrote:Aaaaah. Gotcha.

And trust me... you don't want to know! It's bad. I had a top 10 from a coach the other day that did NOT have Mount Vernon, but, mysteriously, had two other teams from their OCC division, and had them! (Needless to say, I did not advertise their team receiving a top 10 vote.) SMH...
That is just wrong! Thats why they need to be published.
Why not anyways? If you vote a certain way then you should stand by your convictions if someone disagrees with you...unless...something stinks in Suburbia.
Jan 15, 2013 11:56am
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bump_and_run

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Jan 15, 2013 1:36 PM
Cthelites;1366597 wrote:That is just wrong! Thats why they need to be published.
Why not anyways? If you vote a certain way then you should stand by your convictions if someone disagrees with you...unless...something stinks in Suburbia.
would it be so hard to just seed them based on existing dual records? of course that's not perfect and would still result in some silly seeding but it probably wouldn't be worse and at least would have objectivity on its side...
Jan 15, 2013 1:36pm
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1prouddad

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Jan 15, 2013 3:52 PM
I like the suggestion on Yappi. Sub-region A coaches vote on Sub-region B seeds and vice versa.

- just my 2 cents
Jan 15, 2013 3:52pm
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Jan 15, 2013 9:19 PM
1prouddad;1366767 wrote:I like the suggestion on Yappi. Sub-region A coaches vote on Sub-region B seeds and vice versa.

- just my 2 cents
I think that could work but some of the stuff cruiser just said about coaches voting would play into that as well.
Jan 15, 2013 9:19pm
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1prouddad

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Jan 15, 2013 11:01 PM
USMCdevil2005;1366872 wrote:I think that could work but some of the stuff cruiser just said about coaches voting would play into that as well.
True. Im just happy they started this tournament. But my guess is OHSAA will have to revise the seeding process next year. I bet there is controversy all over the state about the current method. Im sure they will figure something out.
Jan 15, 2013 11:01pm
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bump_and_run

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Jan 16, 2013 9:14 AM
i think the answer is pretty obvious, guys. ohiochatter should seed the teams. then it would be PERFECT
Jan 16, 2013 9:14am
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Jan 16, 2013 9:21 AM
bump_and_run;1367041 wrote:i think the answer is pretty obvious, guys. ohiochatter should seed the teams. then it would be PERFECT
:thumbup:
Jan 16, 2013 9:21am
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Jan 17, 2013 11:20 PM
bump_and_run;1367041 wrote:i think the answer is pretty obvious, guys. ohiochatter should seed the teams. then it would be PERFECT
It could happen!!! lol We all vote on it!
Jan 17, 2013 11:20pm
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bump_and_run

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Jan 18, 2013 9:05 AM
well, except for the 30 new accounts that would pop up the night before voting lol
Jan 18, 2013 9:05am
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Jan 18, 2013 11:54 AM
At least we know who would be first seed, ah devil?
Jan 18, 2013 11:54am