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Apr 10, 2013 11:03 AM
duke better get some guys who can dribble and get the ball across half court against a press
Apr 10, 2013 11:03am
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Apr 10, 2013 1:15 PM
Gblock;1422759 wrote:duke better get some guys who can dribble and get the ball across half court against a press
They'll have an abundance of guards next year. Cook, Sulaimon, Thornton and then throw in athletic wings that can handle such as Hood, Parker, Dawkins. A true center that can actually play in the low post is what Duke needs.
Apr 10, 2013 1:15pm
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Apr 10, 2013 1:49 PM
Gblock;1422759 wrote:duke better get some guys who can dribble and get the ball across half court against a press
If you're referring to Louisville, that's not a full-court press. It's misdemeanor assault. And a lot of it illegal.

And Duke had plenty of capable guards with the ability to beat it. They did beat Louisville's press once, you know, and were tied at 42 with under 14 minutes to play in the Elite Eight. Ryan Kelly being foul trouble -- Duke's key middle "breaker" -- and a ton of missed shots are what led to the double-digit loss.

As birddog pointed out, Duke will have plenty of talent next year to handle the ball. More than opposing teams will want to deal with.
Apr 10, 2013 1:49pm
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Apr 10, 2013 1:52 PM
Azubuike24;1422757 wrote:Rec, I have absolutely zero proof or even validated rumors about this, but here's your "graduate transfer" option.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51260/tarik-black
I saw discussion about Black on Devil's Den a few days ago. Not sure what the interest level is or if the kid even has Duke in mind. I didn't watch Memphis much this year so I am not intimately familiar with Black's game, but he looks like a decent rebounder and clean-up scorer.
Apr 10, 2013 1:52pm
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Apr 10, 2013 1:55 PM
reclegend22;1422874 wrote:If you're referring to Louisville, that's not a full-court press. It's misdemeanor assault. And a lot of it illegal.

And Duke had plenty of capable guards with the ability to beat it. They did beat Louisville's press once, you know, and were tied at 42 with under 14 minutes to play in the Elite Eight. Ryan Kelly being foul trouble -- Duke's key middle "breaker" -- and a ton of missed shots are what led to the double-digit loss.

As birddog pointed out, Duke will have plenty of talent next year to handle the ball. More than opposing teams will want to deal with.
I 100% agree with the mugging they gave to duke and the lack of calls...however it was hard to watch at times as they looked like high schoolers. they got exposed. UM certainly handled it better and to a lesser degree so did witchita st.
Apr 10, 2013 1:55pm
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Apr 10, 2013 1:55 PM
which guards are you referring to?? why didnt they play those guys?
Apr 10, 2013 1:55pm
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Apr 10, 2013 2:48 PM
Gblock;1422882 wrote:which guards are you referring to?? why didnt they play those guys?
Sulaimon, Cook and Curry were all more than capable of handling the ball under duress -- if you'll recall, they did band together to beat Louisville once this season -- and Ryan Kelly is also a superb ball handler. He was in foul trouble most of the second half, however, and that's when Louisville began to really make a run. Duke was having a hard time getting the ball out of the middle of the press through Mason Plumlee, who for some odd reason was trying to exhibit his Harlem Globetrotter dribbling and majorly fucking up, and things just got out of hand.

Again, if Duke doesn't go ice cold and simply hits some shots down the stretch, they are in striking distance at the end.
Apr 10, 2013 2:48pm
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Apr 10, 2013 2:57 PM
The press wears on teams and negatively impacts their ability to hit shots later in the game.
Apr 10, 2013 2:57pm
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Apr 11, 2013 8:39 AM
Prescott;1422925 wrote:The press wears on teams and negatively impacts their ability to hit shots later in the game.
That is generally true, but Duke was missing some wide-open looks when they were able to set up their offense in the half court. It's not like Duke hadn't been pressed before. They had already beaten Louisville's and VCU's earlier in the season.

Regardless, Louisville won and was the better team.
Apr 11, 2013 8:39am
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Apr 11, 2013 10:39 AM
reclegend22;1423300 wrote:That is generally true, but Duke was missing some wide-open looks when they were able to set up their offense in the half court. It's not like Duke hadn't been pressed before. They had already beaten Louisville's and VCU's earlier in the season.

Regardless, Louisville won and was the better team.
VCU's press and Louisville's press are two different animals. Michigan shredded the high-risk high-reward press that VCU runs. Hurried shots, which is what UL's press leads to, and the mental and physical fatigue that the Cardinals' press leads to causes the shooting percentages of their opponent to drop significantly in the last quarter of a game.
Apr 11, 2013 10:39am
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Apr 11, 2013 5:20 PM
Per Andre Dawkins' twitter he will back on the team for the 2013-2014. A dead eye shooter that could help fill the void that will be left by Seth Curry.

Good to have 'Dre back, loved watching him play and hopefully everything in his life has at least gotten a little better since the tragic car accident.
Apr 11, 2013 5:20pm
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Apr 11, 2013 6:49 PM
Essentially Duke's incoming class is Rodney Hood, Andre Dawkins, Jabari Parker, Matt Jones, and Semi Ojeleye. Wow.

Now the talk/rumor is that Matt Jones could be redshirting. Also talks about Todd Z doing something as well to make room for, well....
Apr 11, 2013 6:49pm
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Apr 11, 2013 7:34 PM
birddog23;1423709 wrote:Essentially Duke's incoming class is Rodney Hood, Andre Dawkins, Jabari Parker, Matt Jones, and Semi Ojeleye. Wow.

Now the talk/rumor is that Matt Jones could be redshirting. Also talks about Todd Z doing something as well to make room for, well....
How many players will be on scholarship for Duke next year? Would Jones be redshirting to make room or just because they think he's not ready? If I'm Matt Jones, I'm pretty pissed if I am forced into redshirting.

Cook/Thornton
Sulaimon/Dawkins/Jones
Hood/Murphy/Ojeleye
Parker/Hairston
Jefferson/Plumlee
Apr 11, 2013 7:34pm
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Apr 11, 2013 7:38 PM
A redshirt still counts against your scholarship. As do transfers. Jones, IMO, would transfer, because Duke has 3 or 4 other shooters ahead of him...
Apr 11, 2013 7:38pm
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Apr 11, 2013 7:44 PM
Azubuike24;1423745 wrote:A redshirt still counts against your scholarship. As do transfers. Jones, IMO, would transfer, because Duke has 3 or 4 other shooters ahead of him...
Ah, forgot that a redshirt still counts. Thanks for the correction.

If Jones waits one year, Dawkins and Sulaimon will be gone.
Apr 11, 2013 7:44pm
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Apr 11, 2013 7:48 PM
Yeah, I mean it makes some sense, but in basketball, you rarely see any top 100 players redshirting. It just doesn't really happen nor make sense. Jones is easily capable of filling a bench role for Duke next year. He's a specialist, and one that fits the Duke scheme perfectly.
Apr 11, 2013 7:48pm
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Apr 11, 2013 8:12 PM
Azubuike24;1423754 wrote:Yeah, I mean it makes some sense, but in basketball, you rarely see any top 100 players redshirting. It just doesn't really happen nor make sense. Jones is easily capable of filling a bench role for Duke next year. He's a specialist, and one that fits the Duke scheme perfectly.
I was actually just talking about there being no need to transfer. Play a smaller role as a freshman, get some experience, and then be the starting SG after one year most likely. To me, redshirting Jones makes no sense, which is why I said he should be pissed if that happens. I don't read much about Duke, other than on here, so who knows what the rationale behind it may be.
Apr 11, 2013 8:12pm
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Apr 11, 2013 8:32 PM
I just saw some tweets about it (Jones redshirting) so nothing official. Basically just fans and writers talking so far. The thing I am most looking into right now and am hoping that will happen is that they do not redshirt Jones, and land graduate transfer Tarik Black from Memphis.
Apr 11, 2013 8:32pm
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Apr 12, 2013 9:00 AM
Azubuike24;1423754 wrote:Yeah, I mean it makes some sense, but in basketball, you rarely see any top 100 players redshirting. It just doesn't really happen nor make sense. Jones is easily capable of filling a bench role for Duke next year. He's a specialist, and one that fits the Duke scheme perfectly.
Marshall Plumlee and Alex Murphy were both Top 75 recruits and essentially McDonald's All-Americans -- Plumlee was and Murphy would have been, but reclassified so wasn't eligible -- who redshirted as first-year players. So it's certainly not that rare, at least at Duke. The staff lets them know where they stand and who is in front of them. They wanted to play at Duke.

Matt Jones is good enough to play right away. The kid is legit. He is the best outside shooter in this year's class. He knew Dawkins was coming back -- every Duke fan did -- so I am sure the kid understands that he may have to "wait a year" for big minutes. I highly doubt he reshirts, though, and he will not transfer.

As you say, he's the perfect specialist in the Duke system.
Apr 12, 2013 9:00am
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Apr 12, 2013 9:01 AM
ccrunner609;1423844 wrote:1-2-3 positions are solid as anyone but that 4-5.....scary
The 4 at Duke next year may be the greatest player in the nation.
Apr 12, 2013 9:01am
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Apr 15, 2013 10:17 AM
Jon Scheyer reportedly a leading candidate to replace Nate James as special assistant to Coach K. James moved into an assistant coach role when Chris Collins left for Northwestern. Excited to see Scheyer back at Duke. Think he'll make a great coach. He has a very elevated basketball mind and really has a strong feel for the game.

Greg Paulus also expected to leave Ohio State's staff for Northwestern, but nothing official yet. This would be a big blow for the Buckeyes.
Apr 15, 2013 10:17am
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Apr 15, 2013 10:34 AM
reclegend22;1425810 wrote:Greg Paulus also expected to leave Ohio State's staff for Northwestern, but nothing official yet. This would be a big blow for the Buckeyes.
Excellent move for Paulus, but I don't see it as a big blow. He was the video coordinator and had a positive influence on the payers, but I think he was just getting his feet wet for his next move. IMO, losing a Jeff Boals or a Chris Jent would have a much bigger impact on the program.
Apr 15, 2013 10:34am
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Apr 15, 2013 11:02 AM
vball10set;1425825 wrote:Excellent move for Paulus, but I don't see it as a big blow. He was the video coordinator and had a positive influence on the payers, but I think he was just getting his feet wet for his next move. IMO, losing a Jeff Boals or a Chris Jent would have a much bigger impact on the program.

This and then some.
Apr 15, 2013 11:02am
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Apr 15, 2013 11:06 AM
^. Dude, I was joking. Lol. It's not a big blow at all. Although, I do think he had a positive impact on the development of Aaron Craft, as many stories indicated during the tournament.

Down the road, I think he'll make an excellent coach.
Apr 15, 2013 11:06am