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Cthelites

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Jan 2, 2012 1:03 PM
Per Bucksman's mid season rankings/projections on the Yap:

106
3. Payton Gutierrez, Pickerington North, junior
6. Josh Wimer, Grove City Central Crossing, sophomore
8. Luke Nace, Teays Valley, sophomore
9. Taleb Rahmani, Marysville, freshman
12. Andrew Torti, Olentangy, junior
HDAR – Gutierrez, Wimer, Nace, Rahmani; Torti

113
4. Jacob Spearman, Lancaster, senior
8. Dakota Riley, Mount Vernon, junior
12. David Sparks, Marysville, sophomore
HDAR – Spearman, Riley, Sparks, Chris Mullucey (Dublin Coffman, senior)

120
4. Artem Timchenko, Olentangy Orange, junior
15. Giuseppe Penzone, Olentangy Liberty, sophomore
HDAR – Timchenko, Penzone, Alex Straughter (Reynoldsburg, senior), Ryan Lucas (Olentangy, senior)

126
3. Trevor Fiorucci, Olentangy, senior
6. Ryan Murdock, Dublin Coffman, senior
15. Jake Donatelli, Hilliard Darby, junior
HDAR – Fiorucci, Murdock, Donatelli, Seth McCurdy (Delaware Hayes, senior)

132
7. Joe Boswell, Canal Winchester, senior
8. Drew McDougle, Gahanna Lincoln, junior
10. Logan Strope, Lancaster, senior
13. Cole Nace, Teays Valley, senior
14. Lee Wilson, Hilliard Davidson, junior
HDAR – Boswell, McDougle, Strope, Nace; Wilson

138
5. Noah Forrider, Marysville, junior
6. Jake Ryan, Olentangy Liberty, junior
9. Anthony Fosco, Olentangy, senior
HDAR – Forrider, Ryan, Fosco, Dalton Tillius (Canal Winchester, senior)

145
4. Travis Luft, Teays Valley, senior
15. Connor Driscoll, Hilliard Bradley, senior – Hilliard Darby
HDAR – Luft, Driscoll, Chase Boyd (Marysville, junior), Hannibal Tate (Hilliard Davidson, sophomore)

152
2. Chase Delande, Hilliard Davidson, senior
HDAR – Delande, Jake Zoller (Hilliard Bradley, senior), Kyle Beatty (Lancaster, senior), Ason Sunkle (Pickerington Central, junior)

160
6. Roy Daniels, Olentangy Liberty, senior
13. Tyler Miller, Marysville, senior
HDAR – Daniels, Miller, Alex Mickley (Hilliard Davidson, senior), Ethan Bond (Lancaster, junior)

170
2. Vince Pickett, Grove City Central Crossing, senior
6. Tyler Bowens, Hilliard Darby, senior
7. Zach Brown, Westerville Central, senior
10. Brian Fox, Dublin Scioto, senior
13. R.J. Funk, Lancaster, junior
HDAR – Pickett, Bowens, Brown, Fox; Funk

182
5. Brocky Leidecker, Teays Valley, senior
10. Matt Lybarger, Mount Vernon, sophomore
16. Garrett Foster, Pickerington Central, senior
HDAR – Leidecker, Lybarger, Foster, Austin Pfarr(Marysville, sophomore)

195
9. Alex Steinmetz, Olentangy, senior
14. James Lowery, Upper Arlington, senior
HDAR – Steinmetz, Lowery, Mike Mayberry (Worthington Kilbourne, senior), Thomas Taylor (Marysville, senior)

220
8. Wes King, Dublin Scioto, senior
11. Kyle Dotson, Groveport Madison, senior
16. Jacob Jones, Newark, junior
HDAR – King, Dotson, Jones, Spencer Marshall (Lancaster)

285
4. Patrick Elflein, Pickerington North, senior
5. Luke Fleming, Olentangy Liberty, senior
8. Bryan Young, Olentangy, senior
11. Brett Mowery, Dublin Jerome, junior
12. Kyle Thirkield, Marysville, senior
HDAR – Elflein, Fleming, Young, Mowery; Thirkield
Jan 2, 2012 1:03pm
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Westie101

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Jan 2, 2012 1:09 PM
since when is steinmetz at 195? And I don't see how you can leave out Kamba of orange who placed at hoover and brecksville.
Jan 2, 2012 1:09pm
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Jan 2, 2012 1:23 PM
I mentioned this on the other site... Dotson is out. He can't return. Well, I guess he could, but I don't think his parents or I would let it last too long. Anywho, just saying.
Jan 2, 2012 1:23pm
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Cthelites

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Jan 2, 2012 2:42 PM
Dont shoot the messenger lol!
I was trying to fill in for dad4sports as the cut and paste King!
Jan 2, 2012 2:42pm
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Jan 2, 2012 3:26 PM
I would never shoot you! Just letting readers on this site (especially 220 pounders -or their parents, teammates or friends) know.

I think 145 looks different when it's all said and done. I'm not sure what that means yet though...
Jan 2, 2012 3:26pm
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Jan 2, 2012 4:12 PM
ya, theres a couple of weights hat dont seem to be paning out that way, yet atleast
Jan 2, 2012 4:12pm
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Jan 3, 2012 12:52 AM
Kyle Dooley at 113 could make some noise at darby, he lost 7-6 in his placement match at Brecksville and is really starting to come around. Austin King at 120 can also do some damage. Another you could add to the list that has an outside shot at 152 would be Ferrell from Teays Valley.

132 is a meat grinder!!! Wow. I would look to see some movement here maybe.

Can't wait til darby , my favorite tournament of the year.
Jan 3, 2012 12:52am
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Jan 3, 2012 10:19 AM
Cthelites;1034896 wrote:Per Bucksman's mid season rankings/projections on the Yap:

106
3. Payton Gutierrez, Pickerington North, junior 18
6. Josh Wimer, Grove City Central Crossing, sophomore 15
8. Luke Nace, Teays Valley, sophomore 13
9. Taleb Rahmani, Marysville, freshman 12
12. Andrew Torti, Olentangy, junior 9
HDAR – Gutierrez, Wimer, Nace, Rahmani; Torti 67

113
4. Jacob Spearman, Lancaster, senior 17
8. Dakota Riley, Mount Vernon, junior 13
12. David Sparks, Marysville, sophomore 9
HDAR – Spearman, Riley, Sparks, Chris Mullucey (Dublin Coffman, senior) 39

120
4. Artem Timchenko, Olentangy Orange, junior 17
15. Giuseppe Penzone, Olentangy Liberty, sophomore 6
HDAR – Timchenko, Penzone, Alex Straughter (Reynoldsburg, senior), Ryan Lucas (Olentangy, senior) 23

126
3. Trevor Fiorucci, Olentangy, senior 18
6. Ryan Murdock, Dublin Coffman, senior 15
15. Jake Donatelli, Hilliard Darby, junior 6
HDAR – Fiorucci, Murdock, Donatelli, Seth McCurdy (Delaware Hayes, senior) 39

132
7. Joe Boswell, Canal Winchester, senior 14
8. Drew McDougle, Gahanna Lincoln, junior 13
10. Logan Strope, Lancaster, senior 11
13. Cole Nace, Teays Valley, senior 8
14. Lee Wilson, Hilliard Davidson, junior 9
HDAR – Boswell, McDougle, Strope, Nace; Wilson 55

138
5. Noah Forrider, Marysville, junior 16
6. Jake Ryan, Olentangy Liberty, junior 15
9. Anthony Fosco, Olentangy, senior 12
HDAR – Forrider, Ryan, Fosco, Dalton Tillius (Canal Winchester, senior) 43

145
4. Travis Luft, Teays Valley, senior 17
15. Connor Driscoll, Hilliard Bradley, senior – Hilliard Darby 6
HDAR – Luft, Driscoll, Chase Boyd (Marysville, junior), Hannibal Tate (Hilliard Davidson, sophomore) 23

152
2. Chase Delande, Hilliard Davidson, senior 19
HDAR – Delande, Jake Zoller (Hilliard Bradley, senior), Kyle Beatty (Lancaster, senior), Ason Sunkle (Pickerington Central, junior) 19

160
6. Roy Daniels, Olentangy Liberty, senior 16
13. Tyler Miller, Marysville, senior 8
HDAR – Daniels, Miller, Alex Mickley (Hilliard Davidson, senior), Ethan Bond (Lancaster, junior) 24

170
2. Vince Pickett, Grove City Central Crossing, senior 19
6. Tyler Bowens, Hilliard Darby, senior 15
7. Zach Brown, Westerville Central, senior 14
10. Brian Fox, Dublin Scioto, senior 11
13. R.J. Funk, Lancaster, junior 8
HDAR – Pickett, Bowens, Brown, Fox; Funk 67

182
5. Brocky Leidecker, Teays Valley, senior 16
10. Matt Lybarger, Mount Vernon, sophomore 11
16. Garrett Foster, Pickerington Central, senior 5
HDAR – Leidecker, Lybarger, Foster, Austin Pfarr(Marysville, sophomore) 32

195
9. Alex Steinmetz, Olentangy, senior 12
14. James Lowery, Upper Arlington, senior 7
HDAR – Steinmetz, Lowery, Mike Mayberry (Worthington Kilbourne, senior), Thomas Taylor (Marysville, senior) 19

220
8. Wes King, Dublin Scioto, senior 13
11. Kyle Dotson, Groveport Madison, senior 10
16. Jacob Jones, Newark, junior 5
HDAR – King, Dotson, Jones, Spencer Marshall (Lancaster) 28

285
4. Patrick Elflein, Pickerington North, senior 17
5. Luke Fleming, Olentangy Liberty, senior 16
8. Bryan Young, Olentangy, senior 13
11. Brett Mowery, Dublin Jerome, junior 10
12. Kyle Thirkield, Marysville, senior 9
HDAR – Elflein, Fleming, Young, Mowery; Thirkield 65
I broke down the weights by a point system per Bucksman's State ratings giving the #1 spot 20 pts and down.
Looking at it that way we can see some of the tougher and more open weights at Darby. Number of ranked kids in (#).
Of course the weights are a best guess at this point with some already saying they are off.
At least we have a starting point.

Toughest:
170 67pts (5)
132 67pts (5)
285 65 pts (5)
106 55pts (5)

138 43 pts (3)
126 39 pts (3)
113 39 pts (3)
182 32 pts (3)
220 28 pts (3)
160 24 pts (3)

120 23 pts (2)
145 23 pts (2)
195 19 pts (2)
152 19 pts (1)
Weakest
Jan 3, 2012 10:19am
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Jan 3, 2012 1:51 PM
Nice way to look at it. Starting to think the most competitive weight will be 106. Not stating it's the toughest but has a lot of high caliber kids that are pretty equal. I'm sure Santino DiSabato can go with those ids in 106 as well. If Fiorucci stays at 132 with Boswell and a healthy Wislon that weight takes the cake on terms of quality and quantity.
Jan 3, 2012 1:51pm
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Jan 9, 2012 7:11 PM
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Cthelites;1034896 wrote:Per Bucksman's mid season rankings/projections on the Yap:

106
3. Payton Gutierrez, Pickerington North, junior
6. Josh Wimer, Grove City Central Crossing, sophomore
8. Luke Nace, Teays Valley, sophomore
9. Taleb Rahmani, Marysville, freshman
12. Andrew Torti, Olentangy, junior
HDAR – Gutierrez, Wimer, Nace, Rahmani; Torti

113
4. Jacob Spearman, Lancaster, senior
8. Dakota Riley, Mount Vernon, junior
12. David Sparks, Marysville, sophomore
HDAR – Spearman, Riley, Sparks, Chris Mullucey (Dublin Coffman, senior)

120
4. Artem Timchenko, Olentangy Orange, junior
15. Giuseppe Penzone, Olentangy Liberty, sophomore
HDAR – Timchenko, Penzone, Alex Straughter (Reynoldsburg, senior), Ryan Lucas (Olentangy, senior)

126
3. Trevor Fiorucci, Olentangy, senior
6. Ryan Murdock, Dublin Coffman, senior
15. Jake Donatelli, Hilliard Darby, junior
HDAR – Fiorucci, Murdock, Donatelli, Seth McCurdy (Delaware Hayes, senior)

132
7. Joe Boswell, Canal Winchester, senior
8. Drew McDougle, Gahanna Lincoln, junior
10. Logan Strope, Lancaster, senior
13. Cole Nace, Teays Valley, senior
14. Lee Wilson, Hilliard Davidson, junior
HDAR – Boswell, McDougle, Strope, Nace; Wilson

138
5. Noah Forrider, Marysville, junior
6. Jake Ryan, Olentangy Liberty, junior
9. Anthony Fosco, Olentangy, senior
HDAR – Forrider, Ryan, Fosco, Dalton Tillius (Canal Winchester, senior)

145
4. Travis Luft, Teays Valley, senior
15. Connor Driscoll, Hilliard Bradley, senior – Hilliard Darby
HDAR – Luft, Driscoll, Chase Boyd (Marysville, junior), Hannibal Tate (Hilliard Davidson, sophomore)

152
2. Chase Delande, Hilliard Davidson, senior
HDAR – Delande, Jake Zoller (Hilliard Bradley, senior), Kyle Beatty (Lancaster, senior), Ason Sunkle (Pickerington Central, junior)

160
6. Roy Daniels, Olentangy Liberty, senior
13. Tyler Miller, Marysville, senior
HDAR – Daniels, Miller, Alex Mickley (Hilliard Davidson, senior), Ethan Bond (Lancaster, junior)

170
2. Vince Pickett, Grove City Central Crossing, senior
6. Tyler Bowens, Hilliard Darby, senior
7. Zach Brown, Westerville Central, senior
10. Brian Fox, Dublin Scioto, senior
13. R.J. Funk, Lancaster, junior
HDAR – Pickett, Bowens, Brown, Fox; Funk

182
5. Brocky Leidecker, Teays Valley, senior
10. Matt Lybarger, Mount Vernon, sophomore
16. Garrett Foster, Pickerington Central, senior
HDAR – Leidecker, Lybarger, Foster, Austin Pfarr(Marysville, sophomore)

195
9. Alex Steinmetz, Olentangy, senior
14. James Lowery, Upper Arlington, senior
HDAR – Steinmetz, Lowery, Mike Mayberry (Worthington Kilbourne, senior), Thomas Taylor (Marysville, senior)

220
8. Wes King, Dublin Scioto, senior
11. Kyle Dotson, Groveport Madison, senior
16. Jacob Jones, Newark, junior
HDAR – King, Dotson, Jones, Spencer Marshall (Lancaster)

285
4. Patrick Elflein, Pickerington North, senior
5. Luke Fleming, Olentangy Liberty, senior
8. Bryan Young, Olentangy, senior
11. Brett Mowery, Dublin Jerome, junior
12. Kyle Thirkield, Marysville, senior
HDAR – Elflein, Fleming, Young, Mowery; Thirkield




How is akutsu of DS not in the 285 conversation?
Jan 9, 2012 7:11pm
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Jan 9, 2012 7:13 PM
Why isn't akutsu of DS in the 285 conversation??
Jan 9, 2012 7:13pm
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Jan 9, 2012 8:44 PM
Double unders 90: he's on my radar. I currently have him at 5th or 6th. He may have slipped by some due to not competing this weekend but I still have him in mind.
Jan 9, 2012 8:44pm
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Jan 10, 2012 11:13 AM
How could 170 be so tough? Per Cruisers rankings one of his top 3 is a Sectional placer. Who just lost to someone who has never wrestled in the post season. And, where is Shackleford from Thomas Worthington? Without Shackelford the 182 is kind of invalidated. He has to be the #2 in Central District. I also like Pfarr to be the #3. Hes very tough and in a great room with awsome coaching.
Jan 10, 2012 11:13am
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Jan 10, 2012 11:25 AM
I think that is the deal with national, state-wide and then local rankings. I spend about 2 hours poring over results. Most of the time, by the time I'm at 120, I couldn't tell you who I have at #1 for 106!!! For state-wide guys, it HAS TO be much harder unless you use last year's results to aide in the process.

The problem, as you mention, is that a) there is a lag between reality and updates and b) the early rankings do not factor in hard work over the summer.

As we have seen, Fox, Sowry and even a few others have put in some major time to better themselves. Until they cross paths with one of last year's top performers, they will get lost in the shuffle. Unless of course, you are at an event and can decipher between relative talent and overall talent.
Jan 10, 2012 11:25am
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Jan 10, 2012 11:26 AM
www.jakeswrestling.com
Jan 10, 2012 11:26am
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Jan 10, 2012 11:44 AM
cruiser_96;1046873 wrote: As we have seen, Fox, Sowry and even a few others have put in some major time to better themselves. Until they cross paths with one of last year's top performers, they will get lost in the shuffle. Unless of course, you are at an event and can decipher between relative talent and overall talent.
You seem to keep invalidating some of your rankings. The hard work they put in over the summer? Wrestlers who place at national touneys vs ones who show up for open mats. You give some wrestlers kudos for last year and others you ignore their previous accomplishments. I understand its extra work for you. But, why do you ignore the stats? Its frustrating for some of us to view this. Proofs in the pudding. God bless!
Jan 10, 2012 11:44am
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Jan 10, 2012 12:19 PM
Is there a particular wrestler in reference? I have no problem hearing a case for any wrestler.

I think I had four coaches let me know of corrections that should be made. Some were OBVIOUS mistakes I made; others results I missed. It happens.

More than anything, we want it to help, not hurt. We want to stimulate something positive, rather than something negative. Hope this helps.
Jan 10, 2012 12:19pm
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Cthelites

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Jan 10, 2012 12:24 PM
Sid;1046890 wrote:You seem to keep invalidating some of your rankings. The hard work they put in over the summer? Wrestlers who place at national touneys vs ones who show up for open mats. You give some wrestlers kudos for last year and others you ignore their previous accomplishments. I understand its extra work for you. But, why do you ignore the stats? Its frustrating for some of us to view this. Proofs in the pudding. God bless!
i think he does a good job with the rankings for the most part.
Is he perfect? No. He even tells you that up front.
there are things that i see in the rankings that I dont agree with sometimes.
If you see something, point it out with facts to back it up and email it to him. Chances are the next time that kid wins a big match it could get him ranked.
Rankings are not the end all be all so take it for what its worth.
They are a means to get wrestling discussed.
Rankings are very fluid!
Wrestler A beats B who loses to C who beats A and yadda yadda yadda.

You may be talking about Fox since you brought up 170.
How could you not rank him after the early season major over a 2 time SQ in Bowens.
Fox wrestled great and Bowens didnt look very sharp. Kudos to Fox bursting on the scene!
Bowens backed up his ranking with a strong 3rd at Medina! And Brown has done nothing but win to maintain his spot.
Do we even need to question Pickett?
Jan 10, 2012 12:24pm
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Jan 10, 2012 12:30 PM
Yes rankings are nice for discussion and for the most part fun but when it comes down to sectionals district and state a wrestler can have an off day or a day where he is unstoppable. To be consistant at ranking high school kids in a sport that takes the most physical and mental tole on you.. Its almost impossible. Shout out to cruiser for the rankings
Jan 10, 2012 12:30pm
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Jan 10, 2012 12:32 PM
Which one is Pickett, again?
Jan 10, 2012 12:32pm
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Cthelites

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Jan 10, 2012 12:34 PM
cruiser_96;1046950 wrote:Which one is Pickett, again?
The fence?
Jan 10, 2012 12:34pm
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Jan 10, 2012 2:47 PM
Thanks cruiser for all your hard work. We appreciate it a lot. You are a fair and honest man.
Jan 10, 2012 2:47pm
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Jan 10, 2012 2:52 PM
Who is Cruiser?
Jan 10, 2012 2:52pm
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cruiser_96

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Jan 10, 2012 3:46 PM
rassler;1047112 wrote:Who is Cruiser?
The car!?

buckeyefan & ptown3: thanks
Jan 10, 2012 3:46pm
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Jan 10, 2012 6:59 PM
Heard rumor that Elflein is out for month with broken bone in face any truth to this?? And I saw Steinmetz is at 195 now?
Jan 10, 2012 6:59pm