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5:00 Consolations for post-season?? Yea or nay?

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Dad4Sports

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Feb 16, 2011 8:35 AM
I just wanted to throw it out there.....it's always been a pet peeve of mine. I have never been able to understand why the OHSAA uses 5:00 matches in the post-season? A match is 6:00.....why penalize the wrestler who is in superior condition by shortening the match by 17%? Are we in that much of a hurry to get home that we need to speed things up?

With so much at stake, why not let the kids wrestle a true match?

I'll get off my soap box.....am I in the minority?
Feb 16, 2011 8:35am
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cruiser_96

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Feb 16, 2011 8:50 AM
5 minutes vs. 6 minutes. We had this discussion about two or three years ago... we are unsure when or why it started. I will say this, if follow-your-man is the alternative, I'll take what we have now!
Feb 16, 2011 8:50am
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Gman

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Feb 16, 2011 9:01 AM
Dad I'm with you. Kids that are in shape with the stamina can and will wear down others it makes a difference.
Feb 16, 2011 9:01am
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squeek

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Feb 16, 2011 9:24 AM
I agree with 6 minutes for post season.
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Feb 16, 2011 9:24am
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Jmar25

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Feb 16, 2011 9:45 AM
Win and you won't have to worry. I will say this though... The minute less should force more action... This isn't the case usually... But wrestling is so defensive these days that I don't think conditioning is as big a factor with say districts/states level kids.
Feb 16, 2011 9:45am
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cruiser_96

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Feb 16, 2011 9:49 AM
Back to my original question... Why is that way? When did it begin.

Yea or nay? I say Yay for the reason that the dynamics have changed. A clear distinction has been made in more than one way now. There is a sense of urgency more so than in the championship side of things. Granted, the championship bracket has its share of must-win, but it is heightened in the consolation bracket. What better way than to squeeze the clock just a bit? Again, I don't mind 1-2-2 in the consolation.
Feb 16, 2011 9:49am
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Feb 16, 2011 10:14 AM
match to go to the next week should be 6 minutes.....the rest of consi's should be 5
Feb 16, 2011 10:14am
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Fab1b

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Feb 16, 2011 10:17 AM
I prefer the consi matches 5 mins. As an official it just speeds things up and creates a greater sense of urgency on the wrestler's part IMO.
Feb 16, 2011 10:17am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 16, 2011 10:24 AM
I don't have a problem with 5 minutes. I like the last match completed being the championship match. This often times aids in that happening.
Feb 16, 2011 10:24am
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Coach Hennosy

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Feb 16, 2011 11:05 AM
Fab1b ... if this sense of urgency is so important ... why not have it through out?
Con_Alma ... more often than not, this is because of the more evenly match opponents, not time.

All post season matches should be 6.
Feb 16, 2011 11:05am
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Fab1b

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Feb 16, 2011 11:09 AM
Coach Hennosy;680599 wrote:Fab1b ... if this sense of urgency is so important ... why not have it through out?
Con_Alma ... more often than not, this is because of the more evenly match opponents, not time.

All post season matches should be 6.

I can't answer that, I don't know.
Feb 16, 2011 11:09am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 16, 2011 11:10 AM
Coach Hennosy

It may be more often than not. My comment was that it often times aides in the consolation match ending first.

Whether these matches should or should not be 6 minutes is subjective and not everyone agrees that they should be 6.
Feb 16, 2011 11:10am
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like_that

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Feb 16, 2011 11:32 AM
cruiser_96;680472 wrote:Back to my original question... Why is that way? When did it begin.

I believe it was to simply speed up tournaments. I agree with the OP though, the post season should be all 6 minutes. There are some damn good wrestlers who might have to wrestle in the conso at districts. I never thought it was fair for those guys to decide who goes to state in 5 minutes. You can say "don't lose" but only two guys make it through a tourney without wrestling the 5 minute match.
Feb 16, 2011 11:32am
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cruiser_96

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Feb 16, 2011 12:12 PM
It's like this and like that and like this, y'all!!!

6 minutes in the championship, 5 minutes in the consolation = +1
Feb 16, 2011 12:12pm
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Dad4Sports

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Feb 16, 2011 12:25 PM
I just have a picture in my mind of the numerous 6 minute matches that I can see where superior conditioning made the difference in the last minute....

A match lasts 6 minutes......during the season it's not a big deal to go to 5 in the consis. But when it's all for keeps, IMO 6 minutes should be what is used...
Feb 16, 2011 12:25pm
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Bitterrunner-up

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Feb 16, 2011 1:06 PM
A high school wrestling match is six minutes, period. Think about how many low-level duals are contested at six minutes. Heck, JV matches are six minutes, but a match as high level as the 3th/4th place match at The State Tournament is five minutes? It just doesn't make sense. And someone mentioned that the five minute time period helps the wrestlers gain some sense of urgency. Really? If you're in the consolation bracket of the post season, and you don't already have a sense of urgency, then no difference in the time will help you.


Single Division, 32-man double elimination bracket, top eight All-Ohio, six minute consolations.
Feb 16, 2011 1:06pm
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cruiser_96

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Feb 16, 2011 1:10 PM
Bitterrunner-up;680780 wrote:...
Single Division, 32-man double elimination bracket, top eight All-Ohio, six minute consolations.

Ahhh, I see we've added on to the mantra! ;)
Feb 16, 2011 1:10pm
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ohiowrestlingchamp

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Feb 16, 2011 1:12 PM
Another thing is alot of times the wrestlers dont realize or dont know they only get a one minute first period because they are not told which can sometime throw a wrestler off
Feb 16, 2011 1:12pm
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cruiser_96

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Feb 16, 2011 1:13 PM
If you're in the consolation bracket of the post season, and you don't already [know it's a one minute first period], then no difference in the time will help you. - bitterrunner-up.
Feb 16, 2011 1:13pm
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Fab1b

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Feb 16, 2011 2:03 PM
ohiowrestlingchamp;680787 wrote:Another thing is alot of times the wrestlers dont realize or dont know they only get a one minute first period because they are not told which can sometime throw a wrestler off

Huh, this has been rule for a long time. Consi matches in tournaments are 5 mins in length.
Feb 16, 2011 2:03pm
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wooref1126

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Feb 16, 2011 2:09 PM
I say let the kids wrestle the full 6.
Feb 16, 2011 2:09pm
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Cthelites

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Feb 16, 2011 4:59 PM
6!!!
Feb 16, 2011 4:59pm
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1_beast

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Feb 16, 2011 5:06 PM
6 minutes.....maybe even make the Championships 7 min ; - ) So they last longer.

I can tell you a great example...my JR year, if it was a 6 minute match, i may not have made the show. I was riding the hips and was high...my opponent was shaking me and I was only up 1, as time expired...i fell off his head. 5 min and 30 secs may have did me in.
Feb 16, 2011 5:06pm
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like_that

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Feb 16, 2011 6:09 PM
1_beast;681123 wrote:6 minutes.....maybe even make the Championships 7 min ; - ) So they last longer.

I can tell you a great example...my JR year, if it was a 6 minute match, i may not have made the show. I was riding the hips and was high...my opponent was shaking me and I was only up 1, as time expired...i fell off his head. 5 min and 30 secs may have did me in.

The third period is only 2 minutes though, just like any third period. So your example doesn't really work.
Feb 16, 2011 6:09pm
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1_beast

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Feb 16, 2011 6:12 PM
like_that;681186 wrote:The third period is only 2 minutes though, just like any third period. So your example doesn't really work.

my point is i was soooo burnt....but i see your point
Feb 16, 2011 6:12pm