Gblock;682260 wrote:I worked 8 years before making 40000 it wasn't that great
Eight years, huh? Wow. That's lots of suffering.
And yes, that was sarcasm.
Gblock;682260 wrote:I worked 8 years before making 40000 it wasn't that great
Gblock;682068 wrote:health care should be free
Writerbuckeye;682266 wrote:Eight years, huh? Wow. That's lots of suffering.
And yes, that was sarcasm.
queencitybuckeye;682268 wrote:Nothing with cost is free, it's all about whether the recipient is the one paying (in general, this is nearly always a good idea).
Writerbuckeye;682271 wrote:It always is. When people perceive something as free, they don't value it and treat it as such (abuse it, neglect it, whatever fits).
Writerbuckeye;682271 wrote:It always is. When people perceive something as free, they don't value it and treat it as such (abuse it, neglect it, whatever fits).
Bigdogg;682033 wrote:Your rights end where mine begin. If you choose not to buy health insurance and then you get cancer, you still get treated under the current law. I and other taxpayers still have to pay for your right to chose not to bear the burden and personal responsibility of purchasing health insurance. To compare this with forcing you to purchasing a car or life insurance is just stupid. If you want to not purchase health insurance then you should sign away your rights for treatment or there should be a penalty. Pooling the risk and spreading it across everyone is the only way to reduce the cost of health care, which this is really about if you eliminate all the partisan BS.
CenterBHSFan;682300 wrote:My stepfather is telling me that in Wisconsin - the democrats failed to show up in order to vote on their version of SB5.
Is that true?
Writerbuckeye;682237 wrote: Guess what? The private sector isn't some boogeyman that wants to eat your young and take away everything you've got. It wants to succeed, and it knows it needs talented, productive people to do so. It isn't going to simply jettison good people for the hell of it. Also, I don't believe for one second that many of the protections already built into government employment (that aren't from the union) will change. Government jobs were pretty damn secure even before unions came along, and I see nothing changing in that regard -- meaning you'll have to really screw up and be unproductive or destructive to get yourself fired, most likely.
Unless you really have no self confidence and don't believe in your own abilities, you have nothing to fear from this legislation.
Yes, the yellowbellies ran to Illinois. How ironic, their democratic predecessors dig a massive hole, and then the adults have to come in to clean up the mess while the dem minority run to another state to prevent a vote on the bill. They ought to be jailed.CenterBHSFan;682300 wrote:My stepfather is telling me that in Wisconsin - the democrats failed to show up in order to vote on their version of SB5.
Is that true?
analogkid;682357 wrote:This really resonates with me Writer. I think that some form of merit pay is sorely needed in education. I admit that the uncertainty of the new system fills me with some angst (I disagree with you that competent teachers have NOTHING to fear as unexpected circumstances do seem more likely to occur) but I am confident that my work ethic, education, and skills will carry me through. And if those unexpected circumstances (and they would be unexpected) do occur then I will do what the rest of the world does; I will pack up my things and move on. I am still a competent teacher and I still have a high demand certification. I won't be happy, and it may make things tougher, but I will move on.
bonelizzard;680502 wrote:SB5 is wrong. Call or email the following Senators and tell them so..
Kevin Bacon - Chair - 466-8064 [email protected]
Keith Faber - Vice-Chair - 466-7584 [email protected]
Joe Schiavoni (Currently AGAINST the Bill - THANK HIM) [email protected]
Bill Beagle - 466-6247 - [email protected]
Edna Brown (Currently AGAINST the Bill - THANK HER) [email protected]
Jim Hughes - 466-5981 [email protected]
Shannon Jones (the Bills Author - Tell her she's wrong) 466-9737 [email protected]
Kris Jordan - 466-8086 - [email protected]
Eric Kearney (Currently AGAINST the Bill - THANK HIM) - [email protected]
Tom Sawyer (Currently AGAINST the Bill - THANK HIM) - [email protected]
Tim Schaffer - 466-5838 - [email protected]
Bill Seitz - 466-8068 - [email protected]
There is no guarantee you will see a decrease of $300 though, right?ernest_t_bass;681696 wrote:Here is my #1 worry. We just closed on a new house... before this hit. Given my current budget, we can afford it. If I see a $300 decrease in my pay, per pay, I will almost immediately lose it. I didn't see any of this coming. Part (hell, maybe most) of the blame is on me for not paying attention and not doing research. But can't some of you even sympathize the slightest with an example like this?
"Welcome to the real world," does not really help "ease the pain," nor is it clever.
Honestly, the best and brightest don't become teachers now. It reminds me of the old saying, "those who can......do; those who can't.....teach." I quote that as a semi-joke, because I do respect what teachers do, I just don't think they should be immune to poor economies.Gblock;681707 wrote:i think that the best and the brightest won't become teachers because the job becomes less attractive.
further those who would be in control may be more concerned about the bottom line than the best interests of the students
Gblock;681947 wrote:if it truly did become an open market and i could then negotiate with many districts for my services then yes that would be very exciting and i would feel like i had some barganing power on my own and could create some competition for my talents. as it stands now i cant leave my job for another district except to go into administration. if you leave and start at another district that would cause me to go ten steps down on the pay ladder to year 5. so this job security that looks so great is also a trap for us. if i could I would much rather apply for a job in hilliard, new albany, olentangy, dublin etc...
ernest_t_bass;682004 wrote: This bill has been written by a woman who has never been an educator. I should write new laws for the medical field. Why not.
I'm sure most kids loved it, but I think it is time to adapt to a new era. We are falling behind in the world (in education) and we need to get back to being the best.ernest_t_bass;682010 wrote:I'm sure you loved it as a kid though! The original school calendar was developed around farmer's schedules. Start Labor Day and end Memorial Day.
I also think we should have year round school. 8 weeks on and then 2 weeks off would be better than summer break if you ask me.derek bomar;682014 wrote:that doesn't make it applicable for kids today...I think kids should go year-round, and teachers should have to teach year-round.
I am not sure I am buying that parents resist sending their kids to school year round. I am sure parents would have enough family time with the many other holiday breaks. Plus, with both parents working (as that is often the case) it is easier to send the kids to school than find a sitter.Gblock;682016 wrote:the reason we don t have more year round is because parents in general resisit it because they like the family time in the summer and vacation time and such....i think it has some advantages and disadvantages as far as being a teacher...it is surely better for students. plenty of places in the world go year round and on saturdays.
bonelizzard;682392 wrote:I was very proud today to represent hard working men and women of unions at the statehouse. I was just 1 voice among thousands of professional men and women standing up for what they believe. Collective bargaining is an American right. I'm proud to be an American and to exercise my freedom of speech. SB5 is wrong for Ohio. Here's the Senator's phone #'s and/or email addresses.
CinciX12;682370 wrote:They didn't define the merit based system though. They are voting to take union representation away in favor of something not even determined yet.
I soooo hate that quote. My graduate adviser tried to dissuade me from becoming a teacher rather than a researcher by telling me that "teachers are not the sharpest crayons in the box." My current school has an MD, a JD, and several PhD's on staff. I would put the professionals in this building up against the best and brightest of most any corporation in the area and they would more than hold their own.dwccrew;682415 wrote:There is no guarantee you will see a decrease of $300 though, right?
Honestly, the best and brightest don't become teachers now. It reminds me of the old saying, "those who can......do; those who can't.....teach." I quote that as a semi-joke, because I do respect what teachers do, I just don't think they should be immune to poor economies.
analogkid;682466 wrote:I soooo hate that quote. My graduate adviser tried to dissuade me from becoming a teacher rather than a researcher by telling me that "teachers are not the sharpest crayons in the box." My current school has an MD, a JD, and several PhD's on staff. I would put the professionals in this building up against the best and brightest of most any corporation in the area and they would more than hold their own.
I Wear Pants;682565 wrote:SB5 is wrong?
That's a compelling argument.
The quote I presented is different than what your graduate adviser said. I never said teachers aren't intelligent, but I do think that SOME teachers (not all though) would have a hard time applying the practices, skills and knowledge of what they teach in the real world. No doubt there are some highly intelligent people that teach, but are many of them ABLE to apply what they know in a manner moreso than being an educator? Some perhaps, but not many. I base this off teachers I know, so it is very biased and totally my opinion.analogkid;682466 wrote:I soooo hate that quote. My graduate adviser tried to dissuade me from becoming a teacher rather than a researcher by telling me that "teachers are not the sharpest crayons in the box." My current school has an MD, a JD, and several PhD's on staff. I would put the professionals in this building up against the best and brightest of most any corporation in the area and they would more than hold their own.
6 degrees of Bacon. The guy is everywhereO-Trap;682586 wrote:But wait! You can call Kevin Bacon! Look! I left his number!
bonelizzard;682554 wrote:SB5 is wrong. Call or email the following Senators and tell them so..
Kevin Bacon - Chair - 466-8064 [email protected]
Keith Faber - Vice-Chair - 466-7584 [email protected]
Joe Schiavoni (Currently AGAINST the Bill - THANK HIM) [email protected]
Bill Beagle - 466-6247 - [email protected]
Edna Brown (Currently AGAINST the Bill - THANK HER) [email protected]
Jim Hughes - 466-5981 [email protected]
Shannon Jones (the Bills Author - Tell her she's wrong) 466-9737 [email protected]
Kris Jordan - 466-8086 - [email protected]
Eric Kearney (Currently AGAINST the Bill - THANK HIM) - [email protected]
Tom Sawyer (Currently AGAINST the Bill - THANK HIM) - [email protected]
Tim Schaffer - 466-5838 - [email protected]
Bill Seitz - 466-8068 - [email protected]