Belly35;453206 wrote:I get it now! Out of site out of mind .... go stick your head in the sand

Belly35;453219 wrote:Within NY City proper there are over 30 present location and only 16 block away is a mosque. Expand that location

ptown_trojans_1;453223 wrote:It's NYC. Expanding a place is next to impossible.

majorspark;453254 wrote:Isadore, if you want banned their is a self ban sticky. It would be so much easier.

BigAppleBuckeye;453308 wrote:Just throwing this out there for debate: what if, after the planes hit the Trade Center towers, they found the black box and all you heard from the terrorists on the recording was "Praise Jesus! Death to America!" Then, no church would ever be allowed to be bulit in lower Manhattan. What would your thoughts be then?

For the record, I am totally ok with a mosque being built downtown. Many Muslims died that day as well, and the day we prevent religious freedom is the day NONE of us are Americans any longer.

Writerbuckeye;453318 wrote:It didn't happen that way and your point is pointless. Although New Yorkers are certainly free to make all the jokes they like about Christ, Christians and Christianity, but if they did the same thing with Islam, The Prophet and Muslims, they'd find themselves the subject of international scorn and likely death threats.

This isn't about "religious freedom" it's a matter of common sense and respect. If Muslims TRULY respected the feelings of Americans on this issue we wouldn't be having this conversation. That tells me there is something more sinister behind this effort. And of course, the politically correct imbeciles, like the mayor of NY, are going right along with it.

That tells me there is something more sinister behind this effort.

IggyPride00;453333 wrote:My post about building a Mosque on a site of conquest was laughed at, but that is exactly what is going on.

They can boast about knocking down our tallest buildings and putting a shrine to Allah in its place without so much as a finger lifted in opposition. As I said, it makes a great recruiting tool for Al Qaeda to show their troops they they are making progress and to keep fighting.

ptown_trojans_1;453078 wrote:Thanks for the rant.
I don't see the big deal. Honestly. The guy is not affiliated with 9/11 or the attacks and the center will not preach Islam that is inline with al Qaeda.


Ehh, I read all those links a little differently. Of course those sites are bias and I'd like to know where they received their translations of the Qur'an.
I don't care if you believe him or not. I don't think he is a radical like OBL, but a moderate that is needed to advance the dialogue in religious discussions on how to remove the need for radical Islam.

Hamas first came up in the mosque debate earlier this summer when Abdul Rauf refused to describe the group as a terrorist organization -- despite the State Department listing that identifies it as such.

Tom Brown, a chief opponent of the mosque, said: "This is what we've been saying . . . Imam Rauf is a radical Muslim who will not call Hamas a terror group."

A retired firefighter who was a first responder on 9/11, Brown lost 100 of his FDNY friends at the Twin Towers.

"How much evidence do we need that this guy is a radical Muslim?" he asked.

"If Rauf really were a bridge builder and an interfaith guy and all the things he professes to be, he wouldn't be doing this to people."

Abdul Rauf raised eyebrows last week when he departed on a State Department-sponsored goodwill mission to the Middle East, despite concerns that the trip may be helping him with the mosque's $100 million fund-raising goal.

The Obama administration insisted the trip, reportedly with stops in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Qatar, was strictly to improve understanding about Muslim communities in the United States.

But a London-based Arabic-language newspaper that interviewed Abdul Rauf reported that he said he would also collect money from Muslim and Arab nations around the world -- raising the possibility that the American government is helping him build contacts in oil-rich states.

ptown_trojans_1;453109 wrote:If he is a threat or even preaching radical jihad Islam, our FBI and IC will be all over him.

BigAppleBuckeye;453326 wrote:Yes, Bloomberg is an inbecile, as his status in life clearly shows. Someday, maybe he will see the light and make something of himself.

I didn't make a point, I asked a question. Humor me, and pretend it DID happen that way. How would you feel?

jhay78;453353 wrote:Your comparison is weak. There are a whole lot more (a way, way, way, whole-lot more) than 19 wacked-out hijackers who claim allegiance to Islam. I don't have time, but I could type for hours the individuals in the US and terrorist acts around the world, all of which have in common they claim allegiance to Islam.

And please, stop with the religious freedom BS. Nobody's being denied the right to practice their religion. Americans deserve to know A) who this imam really is B) where's the money coming from.

Nothing like leftists all of a sudden harping on private property rights.

BigAppleBuckeye;453308 wrote:Just throwing this out there for debate: what if, after the planes hit the Trade Center towers, they found the black box and all you heard from the terrorists on the recording was "Praise Jesus! Death to America!"

Paladin;453383 wrote:They can't make an arguement against "praising Jesus" . Thats the point.

CenterBHSFan;453385 wrote:Well since we're involved in a hypthetical world with this question, I don't have a problem answering it.

I would most likely think they were fanatical zealouts (which happens in all religions and even non-religions) and would not feel bad for them or theirs. I would probably also want the powers that be to track down the rest of the maggots and make sure they died, too.

I have no problems with those people who never give, and only take away,(such as the people who carried out 911 in the real world) .... dying.

BigAppleBuckeye;453392 wrote:I respect your post Center ... but would you perturbed if a church project in lower Manhattan was being contested because of these specific maggots?