sleeper wrote:

Yeah, all the people listed above earned their wealth from having extensive knowledge of the business world, not because they know how to alter a few chemicals or build a bridge.

You are proven wrong but just won't stop, that's funny. If you don't think Gates, Dell, etc earned their money because they are very technically inclined with computer science/engineering, you are rather retarded.

If you think Koch didn't earn his money because he understood chemical engineering, you are rather retarded.

I could go on, but these people started companies based around what they KNEW WELL (aka engineering, science, etc), not because of what they learned in business school like you would have us to believe.

As someone who has a business degree, if anyone needs help getting through business school, you're an idiot. Business school is not hard. You just have to be able to bullshit in your papers (make it look professional) and have a good memory to study and memorize material for exams. The only thing that was somewhat difficult was the accounting/finance portion, but even that isn't that difficult.

Of course I went to the University of Toledo, so that may have had something to do with the material being easy. That business school is a joke. Most the professors have no clue what they are talking about, which is probably why they are teaching instead of making money in the business world.

My younger brother graduated from Fisher School of Business at Ohio State with a 3.4 GPA. He said it was much more difficult than Toledo (where he went his freshman year). He busted his ass there and landed a great job right out of school whereas it took me nearly 4 years to find a great job after I graduated. That's the difference between the schools I suppose.

jmog wrote:

sleeper wrote:

Yeah, all the people listed above earned their wealth from having extensive knowledge of the business world, not because they know how to alter a few chemicals or build a bridge.

You are proven wrong but just won't stop, that's funny. If you don't think Gates, Dell, etc earned their money because they are very technically inclined with computer science/engineering, you are rather retarded.

If you think Koch didn't earn his money because he understood chemical engineering, you are rather retarded.

I could go on, but these people started companies based around what they KNEW WELL (aka engineering, science, etc), not because of what they learned in business school like you would have us to believe.

You're picking exceptions to rule and trying to use them to prove the majority. I mean we are only talking the upper echelon of rich, I'd like to engineers rack in billions at hedge funds and private equities. Enjoy your mediocre life and believe whatever the hell you want about the prestigious degree you have, I'll be making $$$$$ and that's all that matters to me.

sleeper wrote: Enjoy your mediocre life and believe whatever the hell you want about the prestigious degree you have, I'll be making $$$$$ and that's all that matters to me.

lol I love college kids.. life quite hasn't smacked you in the mouth yet. Don't worry Sleeper, I remember thinking the same way you did when I was in college. It won't take long after you graduate for reality to set in. But at least you'll be an assistant manager at Sherwin Williams making some serious $$$$$$$.

jmog wrote:
You are proven wrong but just won't stop, that's funny. If you don't think Gates, Dell, etc earned their money because they are very technically inclined with computer science/engineering, you are rather retarded.

As far as these two go, they're both quite competent technically (although Gates has literally thousands of employees more technically skilled). They also have the entrepreneurial "it" factor.

Gates, Dell, Jobs, the dude that founded Amazon, Zuckerberg, etc. Know what they have in common? They started with ideas about what they wanted to do and the implemented them well. That's why they are insanely rich. Not because they had good business acumen, that helped but wasn't the reason.

Business knowledge alone will likely get you nowhere further than mid management.

I Wear Pants wrote:
Business knowledge alone will likely get you nowhere further than mid management.

I would disagree somewhat. For my group, without the in-depth knowledge of how our customers' businesses work and how our products and services fit their operations, we have nothing, no matter how technically skilled we may be. With that knowledge, we'll continue to succeed, even if the competition are better technologists.

As an aside, do you know why Gates' DOS product became IBM's choice for the original PC? Only/First/Best product? Nope. It was because the head of the company IBM was going to choose blew off a meeting.

I Wear Pants wrote: Gates, Dell, Jobs, the dude that founded Amazon, Zuckerberg, etc. Know what they have in common? They started with ideas about what they wanted to do and the implemented them well. That's why they are insanely rich. Not because they had good business acumen, that helped but wasn't the reason.

Business knowledge alone will likely get you nowhere further than mid management.

Exactly, which is why I said one of the best ways up the corporate ladder (big bucks) is a BS in engineering combined with a good MBA.

I am personally not interested in an MBA, just stating it like it is.

sleeper wrote:

You're picking exceptions to rule and trying to use them to prove the majority. I mean we are only talking the upper echelon of rich, I'd like to engineers rack in billions at hedge funds and private equities. Enjoy your mediocre life and believe whatever the hell you want about the prestigious degree you have, I'll be making $$$$$ and that's all that matters to me.

No, I used YOUR list of the Fortune 500, took the top 10 or so richest people in America and listed their college majors.

I didn't cherry pick anything.

Oh wait, you are really still in college? lol, you'll learn when you come out and start at $40k/yr and work for years/decades just to get to mid-management.

It all makes sense now, a college kid who thinks he'll end up being Warren Buffet. You might as well start playing Mega Millions, the chances are about the same.

PM me if you really want to know what a Chem E can be making just 5-6 years out of college, and what a business major would be making too.

jmog wrote: Oh wait, you are really still in college? lol, you'll learn when you come out and start at $40k/yr and work for years/decades just to get to mid-management.

It all makes sense now, a college kid who thinks he'll end up being Warren Buffet. You might as well start playing Mega Millions, the chances are about the same.

PM me if you really want to know what a Chem E can be making just 5-6 years out of college, and what a business major would be making too.

haha we've had that discussion with him on here already.

LMAO at Sleeper's BIG CASH MONEY$$$$ posts.

As for busines school, I thought it was hard. But then again My last 50 credit hours were done at night while working full time.

on topic anyways....
The girl that was 1st in my class is going to the same school as me. I was about 18th in my class(only graduated with 37) with about a 3.3 gpa and i really didnt give a shit in high school. The girl, along with her friends would always take the same classes and check their answers and shit. Now in college, I have a better GPA than the #1 in my class. She was taking AP English..and she struggled to pass Comp 1! I aced it easy. Now for her friends, not one, but 2 of them are dropped out (one of them had a baby). The other 2 are going to a different college..and just passing. That right there is the top 5 in my class. So maybe its not just business school..but women all together.

sleeper wrote:

jmog wrote:

sleeper wrote: I think the bottom line is essentially, do what you love and do it well, and you will make plenty of cash.

For I believe it was George Washington who said "Ask not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you".

You obviously didn't major in history .

It was JFK that said "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country".

I think its the Obama/Reid/Pelosi/socialist version as you said it "what your country can do for you..."




I do noticed however, that you quickly backed down from the "business majors rule the Forune 500" or whatever list though huh?

Yeah, all the people listed above earned their wealth from having extensive knowledge of the business world, not because they know how to alter a few chemicals or build a bridge.

Realistically...many of the people on that list knew how to make something...and they were smart enough to hire someone else to do all of the business work for them.

And...there are more college dropouts there than graduates...so screw the major, just be born smarter than everyone else.