Ironman92 wrote:
Die Hard 2 agrees
Great pull.
Pups!
I think I'm the old geezer here, nowadays
geeblock wrote:Haha i was also a 91 grad
I knew you were old AF lol
J/K
I was incorrect earlier. 1994 was the first graduating class to require 9th grade proficiency.
My class (1997) was the first to have to pass the science part as well.
I'm more for consolidating federal agencies and streamline them.
I'd agree too many Intelligence agencies. The DOD has too many, same with HHS, etc.
I usually follow the work of the committee on a responsbile federal budget
jmog wrote:I was incorrect earlier. 1994 was the first graduating class to require 9th grade proficiency.
My class (1997) was the first to have to pass the science part as well.
You pass?
I don’t think saying kids can’t do math or read so we should be getting rid of the DOE. I mean it’s not like it’s hindering education in any way. I would say if anything it would be worse without it. I’m also wondering if because now we count all students scores in, including MD/LD/ED etc. if this doesn’t cloud the results.
Ironman92 wrote:
You pass?
Nope, still trying 27 years later
geeblock wrote:I don’t think saying kids can’t do math or read so we should be getting rid of the DOE. I mean it’s not like it’s hindering education in any way. I would say if anything it would be worse without it. I’m also wondering if because now we count all students scores in, including MD/LD/ED etc. if this doesn’t cloud the results.
If the results haven’t improved at all since the establishment of the DoE what’s the point in funding it? If the results were the same when schools were run/funded by state/local governments why not return to that?
Are you certain MD/LD/ED students weren’t included back then as well? I don’t know the answer to that either way (then or now).
Gee was it you who asked about who was keeping track of any progress of the DoE? I think it was, but if not, sorry!
jmog wrote:
If the results haven’t improved at all since the establishment of the DoE what’s the point in funding it? If the results were the same when schools were run/funded by state/local governments why not return to that?
Are you certain MD/LD/ED students weren’t included back then as well? I don’t know the answer to that either way (then or now).
Yeah, I'm for a very small DoE that is just making sure each state is not just failing and assisting where they can.
Student Loans should be moved over to Treasury.
Other parts can be moved over to other agencies like HHS.
jmog wrote:
If the results haven’t improved at all since the establishment of the DoE what’s the point in funding it? If the results were the same when schools were run/funded by state/local governments why not return to that?
Are you certain MD/LD/ED students weren’t included back then as well? I don’t know the answer to that either way (then or now).
I believe back in the day you could exempt them. But now and it’s been a while, if you want FED money everyone must be tested. And everyone must have access to a General Education classroom. No more putting them in the basement or you can’t get the fed money.
CenterBHSFan wrote:Gee was it you who asked about who was keeping track of any progress of the DoE? I think it was, but if not, sorry!
Yea I saw that and I was wondering what the criteria was but didn’t get too deep into it. I will say this. The 8th grade OST we give now is harder than the 12 th grade proficiency test I took in 91 and it’s not close. So I guess I wonder what it means by “basic math” because you 100 percent can know how to add subtract multiply and divide and not pass it.
I find it weird you could graduate and not be able to read unless you are a special ed student. The Ohio pathway to graduation would make that almost impossible.
But there is a lot of red tape with teacher license bs so I’m fine with the DOE going away. I think there are bigger fish to fry and also I think this one could take some more thought than other cuts in other places. I would start with military and govt contracts and the DoD
jmog wrote:
If the results haven’t improved at all since the establishment of the DoE what’s the point in funding it? If the results were the same when schools were run/funded by state/local governments why not return to that?
Are you certain MD/LD/ED students weren’t included back then as well? I don’t know the answer to that either way (then or now).
There are so so so many more of those students now.
Ironman92 wrote:
There are so so so many more of those students now.
This I definitely believe. For me the question is:
Are these things like autism or Asperger's actually rising? It is it highly being over-diagnosed? I think there are good arguments for both.
geeblock wrote:
I believe back in the day you could exempt them. But now and it’s been a while, if you want FED money everyone must be tested. And everyone must have access to a General Education classroom. No more putting them in the basement or you can’t get the fed money.
As a parent of a child on the Autism Spectrum and has navigated IEPs for 13 years that just isn’t true.
Sure not the “basement” but many kids are absolutely in completely different classrooms. I mean every school as special education teachers who have some kids all day for every class.
CenterBHSFan wrote:
This I definitely believe. For me the question is:
Are these things like autism or Asperger's actually rising? It is it highly being over-diagnosed? I think there are good arguments for both.
You take your kid to the Dr enough trying to find a problem, they’ll eventually diagnose it
We have several kids every year get diagnosed from Cincinnati Children’s Hospital…that we greatly disagree with. Those 60 min tests from the hospital are something but they aren’t months and months of classroom experience.
More and more are definitely on that autism spectrum
And also….the top 3 worst kids in the school 20 um years ago, they wouldn’t crack the top 25 now (different topic but that isn’t helping test scores)
jmog wrote:
As a parent of a child on the Autism Spectrum and has navigated IEPs for 13 years that just isn’t true.
Sure not the “basement” but many kids are absolutely in completely different classrooms. I mean every school as special education teachers who have some kids all day for every class.
Well I think there are definitely going to be kids who need to have their own learning space. My dudes sister was a teacher and all of her classes included special needs kids. It's not always the best thing to do. Some kids can slide into a regular class and some kids can't. But the practice of shoe-horning them in anyway was carried out. It served nobody well. I know that we don't want these kids to feel overly self conscious or feel bad, but the expense shouldn't be the frustration or the slowing down of other kids. I have no idea how that problem gets solved. But people get good salaries to figure this out. But haven't.