posted by justincredibleWhen the 2A was written private citizens owned literal warships, btw. So the musket argument is silly.
Is there any policy you would support, or is it, there are zero limitations for all firearms?
posted by justincredibleIt's absurd that it happened.My first sentence is absurd in that I should be ashamed for saying it? Or it's absurd that it happened?
posted by ptown_trojans_1Is there any policy you would support, or is it, there are zero limitations for all firearms?
There might be some policies I hate less than others. But I also believe in a full repeal of the NFA so we're probably not going to be finding much middle ground here since you want to re-enact the AWB.
posted by ernest_t_bass
It's absurd that it happened.
Got it, agreed.
1. Required 30 min mental health sessions starting in 5th grade. Every school has at least 1 professional talking to these kids weekly. If they miss 30 min of a class, they miss 30 min of a class. Bigger schools obviously need to have more than 1. Mental health and feeling worthy in life, etc are the main issues with troubled individuals. Starting them talking with professionals -- without the stigma of outside help, because the entire nation does it -- early on in life would hopefully help. Kids will still pick on someone and you will get made fun of, but venting every week would go a long way to coping with issues. It would also be a direct line to a professional seeing signs early and taking precautions.
Distant 2. Assault Rifle and Semi Automatic weapons ban - it wont happen overnight, but eventually over time you will severely limit the amount that are in the areas where the mass shootings seem to happen.
posted by justincredibleThere might be some policies I hate less than others. But I also believe in a full repeal of the NFA so we're probably not going to be finding much middle ground here since you want to re-enact the AWB.
What about raising the age to purchase from 18 to 21, and/or requiring a high school degree.
posted by Laley23
Distant 2. Assault Rifle and Semi Automatic weapons ban - it wont happen overnight, but eventually over time you will severely limit the amount that are in the areas where the mass shootings seem to happen.
That bans 90% of guns in circulation and every gun I own. This is why I do not believe anyone when they say things like "we don't want to ban all guns" or "we're not coming for yurr guns, relax."
* Technically I have a single shot shotgun that I'd be allowed to keep. It was my first gun (gift from my uncle when I was in 8th grade) and I never shoot it anymore.
posted by friendfromlowryWhat about raising the age to purchase from 18 to 21, and/or requiring a high school degree.
I hate that idea far less than most.
posted by justincredibleI hate that idea far less than most.
Nice. BFFs.
posted by justincredibleThat bans 90% of guns in circulation and every gun I own. This is why I do not believe anyone when they say things like "we don't want to ban all guns" or "we're not coming for yurr guns, relax."
* Technically I have a single shot shotgun that I'd be allowed to keep. It was my first gun (gift from my uncle when I was in 8th grade) and I never shoot it anymore.
Sorry, I misspoke. I don't mind the semi-automatic (self loading). But I want 1 bullet per trigger pull to come out. I'd also be in favor of making the magazines smaller, require more reloads.
posted by geeblockI think you should at least have to be 21 to purchase a gun.
If we do that, I think people could still join the military at 18, but they can only be used for stateside jobs until they're 21.
posted by ernest_t_bassWhere are people buying all these guns without background checks?- My first proposal to a solution is background checks and wait period for any and all firearm purchases, at any place (including gun shows)
- I'm not opposed to registering, just like we do with our cars, homes, etc.
- Strict penalties if caught breaking #1 or #2. Just like we're penalized for driving without car insurance.
posted by Laley23Sorry, I misspoke. I don't mind the semi-automatic (self loading). But I want 1 bullet per trigger pull to come out. I'd also be in favor of making the magazines smaller, require more reloads.
I remember a bank robbery where fully automatic weapons were used (Los Angeles?), but am not aware of any mass shootings with them.
posted by Laley231. Required 30 min mental health sessions starting in 5th grade. Every school has at least 1 professional talking to these kids weekly. If they miss 30 min of a class, they miss 30 min of a class. Bigger schools obviously need to have more than 1. Mental health and feeling worthy in life, etc are the main issues with troubled individuals. Starting them talking with professionals -- without the stigma of outside help, because the entire nation does it -- early on in life would hopefully help. Kids will still pick on someone and you will get made fun of, but venting every week would go a long way to coping with issues. It would also be a direct line to a professional seeing signs early and taking precautions.
Distant 2. Assault Rifle and Semi Automatic weapons ban - it wont happen overnight, but eventually over time you will severely limit the amount that are in the areas where the mass shootings seem to happen.
I see cost (to schools) as an issue.
#2 - One thing that is absent from your post, and this is sad in our society (but it's the sad reality)... parents. This would never happen, but imagine if we held parents accountable for the actions of their children. So much gray area, but I bet society cleans up pretty quick if that happens. Imagine if a parent were to get in trouble if their teenage kid sent (underage) nudes on snapchat. Snapchat would cease to exist!
posted by friendfromlowryNice. BFFs.
Get a room.
Justin - do you have any proposed solutions yourself? We're going to get people from all over the spectrum, and I'm curious how someone with your stances proposes a solution to a more than obvious problem.
posted by queencitybuckeyeIf we do that, I think people could still join the military at 18, but they can only be used for stateside jobs until they're 21.
I would be fine with an exception for those who enlist
posted by queencitybuckeyeI remember a bank robbery where fully automatic weapons were used (Los Angeles?), but am not aware of any mass shootings with them.
Yeah, I am not sure. But they shouldn't be legal, so lets make them illegal.
posted by ernest_t_bassIt would definitely be a cost. But if we are talking about budgeting within the government for it, and allocating funds for mental health, lets start there.I see cost (to schools) as an issue.
Some school systems have programs where faculty and staff can voluntarily take significant amounts of training and have access to locked up guns in various parts of the school. If my local school would be interested in such a program but couldn't get enough staff to participate, I would welcome taking a shift. Perhaps a little less talk about what "they" need to do as opposed to actually doing something might be a pretty good idea.
posted by Laley23Yeah, I am not sure. But they shouldn't be legal, so lets make them illegal.
They aren't illegal, but one has to jump through a LOT of hoops to be licensed to acquire one.
posted by geeblockI would be fine with an exception for those who enlist
I'd prefer my way. If they can't own a gun at home without joining, the government doesn't get to send them to God-knows-where to kill and die.
posted by queencitybuckeyeI'd prefer my way. If they can't own a gun at home without joining, the government doesn't get to send them to God-knows-where to kill and die.
i'd have no problem with that. If you cant buy a beer you shouldnt be out there dying for your country
posted by queencitybuckeyeSome school systems have programs where faculty and staff can voluntarily take significant amounts of training and have access to locked up guns in various parts of the school. If my local school would be interested in such a program but couldn't get enough staff to participate, I would welcome taking a shift. Perhaps a little less talk about what "they" need to do as opposed to actually doing something might be a pretty good idea.
the high school i graduated from has armed teachers
posted by geeblockthe high school i graduated from has armed teachers
It's probably too small a sample size to be statistically significant, but I've never heard of a shooting in a school with such a program.