posted by geeblockIf I’m not mistaken every school in the United States has locked doors and a single entry. All the ones in and around Columbus do that I know of and I’m in a lot of them
Uvalde did not lock theirs.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI don’t believe school children in the US are in danger of mass murder by the government.
1. You're worse at logic than you are history. That's saying something. We are clearly talking about the danger of disarming the populace.
2. The largest mass shooting of school aged children in the history of our country was done by the US government.
I'm going to put you back on ignore now, I've figured out at this point that you are conservative pretending to be a liberal to make liberals look like idiots.
posted by superman1. You're worse at logic than you are history. That's saying something. We are clearly talking about the danger of disarming the populace.
2. The largest mass shooting of school aged children in the history of our country was done by the US government.
I'm going to put you back on ignore now, I've figured out at this point that you are conservative pretending to be a liberal to make liberals look like idiots.
You keep citing Wounded Knee. My point is I don’t think that event is relevant to modern school safety.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieYou keep citing Wounded Knee. My point is I don’t think that event is relevant to modern school safety.
Okay, for the last time. I cited wounded for 2 reasons.
1. That is just one of hundreds of examples of what happens when governments disarm citizens.
2. Idiots like yourself keep blaming mass shootings on AR 15s and saying the government should take our guns. The government is responsible for the worst mass shooting in US history. You want them to be the only ones with guns.
Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
posted by supermanOkay, for the last time. I cited wounded for 2 reasons.
1. That is just one of hundreds of examples of what happens when governments disarm citizens.
2. Idiots like yourself keep blaming mass shootings on AR 15s and saying the government should take our guns. The government is responsible for the worst mass shooting in US history. You want them to be the only ones with guns.
Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
Native Americans were citizens?
Lol superman is a psycho. Have a beer bro, it’s Friday.
posted by AutomatikLol superman is a psycho. Have a beer bro, it’s Friday.
Lol cheers! They could have had 3 guns per person at wounded knee and would have ended the same way smh
posted by supermanOkay, for the last time. I cited wounded for 2 reasons.
1. That is just one of hundreds of examples of what happens when governments disarm citizens.
2. Idiots like yourself keep blaming mass shootings on AR 15s and saying the government should take our guns. The government is responsible for the worst mass shooting in US history. You want them to be the only ones with guns.
Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
The whole point of the thread was what could be done to stop school shootings. I don’t blame these on guns, but on mentally crazy people. As an aside, I personally wish there weren’t guns all over our society, but I accept that this is not something that can be changed and is not a solution to this problem. I’m not sure what else I can say to you beyond this.
Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it is an easy quote to throw around a lot. The problem with it is pretty much every action has been taken to bad results at some point, so it is not really a good rule to live by, lest your idea is to never try anything.
posted by AutomatikLol superman is a psycho. Have a beer bro, it’s Friday.
Yes remembering and understanding history now makes me a psycho.
I thought we were supposed to go back to 1619.
posted by geeblockLol cheers! They could have had 3 guns per person at wounded knee and would have ended the same way smh
Except there would be more federal troops dead.
Well, this is pretty common sense:
"The bipartisan group of senators said on Sunday that they were working to write legislation that would give more funding to mental-health programs and school security, as well as provide incentives for states to implement and maintain red-flag laws and include juvenile records in background checks for people buying guns who are under 21 years of age."
Unfortunately, they aren't going to raise the age to buy a rifle to 21. Of course, states can still do that (and several already did back in 2018). I thought that would have been a no-brainer
posted by gutWell, this is pretty common sense:
"The bipartisan group of senators said on Sunday that they were working to write legislation that would give more funding to mental-health programs and school security, as well as provide incentives for states to implement and maintain red-flag laws and include juvenile records in background checks for people buying guns who are under 21 years of age."
Unfortunately, they aren't going to raise the age to buy a rifle to 21. Of course, states can still do that (and several already did back in 2018). I thought that would have been a no-brainer
I am fairly knowledgeable about guns and gun laws and I did learn something new here.
I didn’t realize that juvenile records weren’t already part of the background check for younger gun owners. That should be common sense, if not there are no just turned 18 year olds that would get rejected by a background check.
That’s gun “control” I am 100% for.
posted by jmogI didn't realize it, either. I suppose that's what happens [lack of common sense] when you let intractable and unrealistic positions control the debate.I didn’t realize that juvenile records weren’t already part of the background check for younger gun owners. That should be common sense, if not there are no just turned 18 year olds that would get rejected by a background check.
posted by jmogI am fairly knowledgeable about guns and gun laws and I did learn something new here.
I didn’t realize that juvenile records weren’t already part of the background check for younger gun owners. That should be common sense, if not there are no just turned 18 year olds that would get rejected by a background check.
That’s gun “control” I am 100% for.
I feel like juvenile records should stop at about the age of 14.
posted by FletchI feel like juvenile records should stop at about the age of 14.
I can buy that.
posted by supermanYes remembering and understanding history now makes me a psycho.
You know the republic is in danger when the defenders of liberty are chastised, (mis)-labeled, and ultimately censored.
Buckle up.
posted by gutWell, this is pretty common sense:
"The bipartisan group of senators said on Sunday that they were working to write legislation that would give more funding to mental-health programs and school security, as well as provide incentives for states to implement and maintain red-flag laws and include juvenile records in background checks for people buying guns who are under 21 years of age."
Unfortunately, they aren't going to raise the age to buy a rifle to 21. Of course, states can still do that (and several already did back in 2018). I thought that would have been a no-brainer
Band-aids and window dressing, but maybe a few political points. Real change however, will not be easy. And that will only occur when the government programs that enable the breakup of the family unit are ended. When the devaluation of human life is ended. When lack of respect is ended. When lack of discipline is ended. When lack of work ethic is ended. It's taken several decades of liberal policy to get where we are, and the disturbing results are clear. MORE government is hardly the answer. Unfortunately I doubt that we have the fortitude to get to the root of the problem, and truly change things for the better.
posted by FletchI feel like juvenile records should stop at about the age of 14.
Torn on this. It should definitely stick around longer then just disappearing at age 18 but I also don’t want someone to not have the ability to get a job because of a mistake they made at 14. I think group the crimes by severity and some drop off at 18 some at 21 some at 10 years after the crime.
posted by QuakerOats
Band-aids and window dressing, but maybe a few political points. Real change however, will not be easy. And that will only occur when the government programs that enable the breakup of the family unit are ended. When the devaluation of human life is ended. When lack of respect is ended. When lack of discipline is ended. When lack of work ethic is ended. It's taken several decades of liberal policy to get where we are, and the disturbing results are clear. MORE government is hardly the answer. Unfortunately I doubt that we have the fortitude to get to the root of the problem, and truly change things for the better.
Now your blaming school shootings on welfare?
posted by sportchamppsTorn on this. It should definitely stick around longer then just disappearing at age 18 but I also don’t want someone to not have the ability to get a job because of a mistake they made at 14. I think group the crimes by severity and some drop off at 18 some at 21 some at 10 years after the crime.
Nothing is absolute, if a 16 year old has a domestic violence, statuary rape, gun charge or some sort of violent felony, it should 100% be on their adult record.
I’m not opining one way or the other on other gun laws being discussed. But shit, at least enforce one’s we have.
NEW: Per sources, the gang member who fatally shot two El Monte PD officers last night was on probation for felon w/ a firearm after he received a bare minimum sentence in plea deal under LA DA @GeorgeGascon last year, despite having a previous strike on his record. @FoxNews
— Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) June 15, 2022
posted by iclfan2I’m not opining one way or the other on other gun laws being discussed. But shit, at least enforce one’s we have.
NEW: Per sources, the gang member who fatally shot two El Monte PD officers last night was on probation for felon w/ a firearm after he received a bare minimum sentence in plea deal under LA DA @GeorgeGascon last year, despite having a previous strike on his record. @FoxNews
— Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) June 15, 2022
Defund the DA's.
posted by jmogInteresting way to explain it but he’s not wrong.
If it was being realistically proposed to ban all guns, yes his explanation would be correct. However, that is not the case.