posted by Heretic

Considering who you're talking to, I'm about 99.99999999% sure the answer is no.

I imagine he shares Michael Scott's view that there are five types of businesses:

1. Tourism
2. Food Service
3. Railroads
4. Sales
5. Hospitals / Manufacturing

posted by justincredible

Fair enough. Like I said, I don't watch or listen to his show so I don't know the extent of the doxxing stuff (I do know his show is not just about doxxing victims), but the clips I've seen of him freaking out at his desk about something ridiculous are funny. Just because I find something (unintentionally) funny doesn't mean I endorse the person or all of their actions. Which is what Fab was attempting to imply with her response.

I'm not implying that, or at least I wasn't trying to. It's just really hard for me to find any of his antics funny when I know what an awful, batshit lunatic he is coupled with the consequences thereof.

posted by O-Trap

I've seen this sentiment elsewhere, and I get it.  However, I would disagree.

These companies may indeed be the chief source of news and information for many.  However, in form they don't have anything close to a monopoly.  Televisions news, actual news websites, radio news, newspapers and other forms of print news, etc. all exist.  Now, whether people are too apathetic or lazy to use anything but what shows up in their social media feeds may be a problem, but the responsibility to fix it rests with those same people, and not the respective companies.

I’m not talking about news in general. I’m talking about social media. Let’s say I have 250k twitter and YouTube followers and they decide to ban me for something that doesn’t violate their ToS. I just lost the ability to get my content out to people who may be interested because Twitter/YouTube didnt like what I was saying and I don’t think that’s right. Like I said, I know this isn’t the case with Jones. The moron earned his ban. I just don’t think this is a take your business to a different bakery if they won’t make your cake scenario. Plenty of bakeries. Nobody will be competing with twitter/YouTube/Facebook when it comes to social media for many years to come. 

posted by Rotinaj

I’m not talking about news in general. I’m talking about social media. Let’s say I have 250k twitter and YouTube followers and they decide to ban me for something that doesn’t violate their ToS. I just lost the ability to get my content out to people who may be interested because Twitter/YouTube didnt like what I was saying and I don’t think that’s right. Like I said, I know this isn’t the case with Jones. The moron earned his ban. I just don’t think this is a take your business to a different bakery if they won’t make your cake scenario. Plenty of bakeries. Nobody will be competing with twitter/YouTube/Facebook when it comes to social media for many years to come. 

There is way worse out there on social media that can also be banned.  They are going after him becAuse of his political backing

posted by Rotinaj

I’m not talking about news in general. I’m talking about social media. Let’s say I have 250k twitter and YouTube followers and they decide to ban me for something that doesn’t violate their ToS. I just lost the ability to get my content out to people who may be interested because Twitter/YouTube didnt like what I was saying and I don’t think that’s right. Like I said, I know this isn’t the case with Jones. The moron earned his ban. I just don’t think this is a take your business to a different bakery if they won’t make your cake scenario. Plenty of bakeries. Nobody will be competing with twitter/YouTube/Facebook when it comes to social media for many years to come. 

Instagram and Snapchat already are.

I had something similar happen a number of years ago.  I had over 300K subscribers on an email newsletter platform.  I didn't violate the TOU/TOS.  They closed my account because of its size and the fact that, in their words, I had too much influence over the reputation of a shared server IP.

Now, I was certainly pissed.  They were the absolute best at what they did at the time, and they were effectively preventing me from getting my message to hundreds of thousands of people who signed up for it -- on their platform.

That last part is the point.  Whether or not their platform is big or small, it's still their property.  Verizon Wireless owns an absolute ass-ton of property nationwide, but they're not going to let me stand on the roof of one of their stores and yell epithets at passersby, and I'm even outdoors in that case.

Whether or not it's the right thing to do is something to be discussed, but whether or not it's right and whether or not it should be prohibited aren't necessarily the same discussion.

Also, I stand corrected on Twitter.  It appears they actually opted not to ban him.  I could have sworn I read that they were among those who did, but apparently not.

posted by Spock

There is way worse out there on social media that can also be banned.  They are going after him becAuse of his political backing

Oh yeah? Who are the other right wingers banned? 

posted by justincredible

I find The Cosby show funny. I don't find rape funny.

posted by Spock

Companies listed in thread title arent private are they?  Arent they publicly traded stock?

 

Can this ^^^ post please get more attention?

posted by ernest_t_bass

Can this ^^^ post please get more attention?

Pointing out the forum idiot being a forum idiot loses its luster. 

Numerous youtube people with substantial followers are also publishing their videos on sites like bitchute (instagram and snapchat as already mentioned). 

Minds and Gab are also media sites but they are not as large as Twitter/Facebook - you can also post your vids - , yet. But they are gaining in traffic as other sites are steadily showing that they do not uphold the same standards of TOS to everybody. Youtube is especially bad at upholding standards to everyone. For example: CNN can report a particular story without a problem, but smaller independent journalists cannot report on the same story without being demonetized, having a community strike and/or banned outright. 

There is talk about how to fix this problem, from several different groups. However, I absolutely do not approve of the progressive idea of having social media become a government controlled utility. 

As far as Alex Jones goes, the prevalent thought with the deplatforming him is as follows:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1026939569177075718

Glenn Greenwald‏Verified account @ggreenwald

FollowFollow @ggreenwald

Replying to @mtracey

That's been the tactic of censors for centuries: they start with someone who is so utterly hated and marginalized that everyone is blinded by their hatred for the first censorship target that they cheer, and forget that they're endorsing a principle & power that will then expand.

posted by SportsAndLady

Oh yeah? Who are the other right wingers banned? 

I hate to defend cc, but there are quite a few examples of the aforementioned platforms setting and enforcing different rules depending on where the page/person leans.

posted by like_that

I hate to defend cc, but there are quite a few examples of the aforementioned platforms setting and enforcing different rules depending on where the page/person leans.

Can I get a few examples?

I know Austin Peterson was kicked off facebook for a week or so for posting a (facebook provided) "Off to the gulag" Stalin gif when someone accused him of working for the Russians.

I misspoke. Twitter suspended him for it.

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2018/07/31/pro-gun-missouri-senate-candidate-suspended-from-twitter-for-gulag-joke

Also, I don't know much about the Riverfront Times, but if they're attempting to be a legitimate news site they are failing spectacularly. That article is pure slant.

posted by SportsAndLady

Can I get a few examples?

-PragerU has several videos currently or formerly banned from youtube.  Also numerous, if not all videos have been demonetized.  If you aren't familiar with PragerU here are the videos currently banned https://www.prageru.com/playlists/restricted-youtube.  You can be the judge and determine if these are harmful.

-Dave Rubin has had several videos banned or demonitized from youtube.  Dave Rubin isn't even close to being a conservative nor controversial.  He just happens to call "progressives" out for going full retard and abandoning classical liberalism.

-Steven Crowder has received suspensions from youtube and twitter.  His videos have been demonetized.  His content is pretty mild compared to the shit you see form the left posting. 

-Candace Owens recently just got suspended from twitter for taking Joeng's racist tweets and subbing out the word "white" for black."  It was only after a bunch of people called twitter out she was reinstated. 

-Several libertarian pages and personalities I follow have received facebook suspensions for pretty much mild shit.

posted by SportsAndLady

Oh yeah? Who are the other right wingers banned? 

I don't know exactly what you mean to dumb spock, but twitter routinely bans conservatives for nothing while letting people tell Dana Loesch to get raped and die.  Candace Owens got suspended for a day by putting the word Black in for White in the Sarah Leong tweets (new york times new hire). None of these media networks are consistent and it is pretty well known that the right gets demonitized on youtube way more often than the crazy leftists, and it isn't even crazy people like the infowars guy, it is like Ben Shapiro and Crowder.

Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern, Charles Murray, Mark Dice, Tim Pool, Sargon of Akkad, Douglas Murray, Sam Harris, Paul Joseph Watson just to name a few. Not all of these people are "right wingers", some are lefties. Basically, anybody to the right of Bernie Sanders is now labelled as being on the right and must be censored or restricted or demonetized or banned. There are even people who have received community guideline strikes on youtube for having a Sam Harris/Charles Murray (both scientists) video on their playlist. 

*edit*

Didn't mean to answer for like_that, just replied to a question on my own.

posted by SportsAndLady

Can I get a few examples?

It more the fact that someone like Jones is plastered for his "so called hate" speech and the example that the left haters can spew all day long and the media doesnt hold their feet to the fire.  Go get on the social media of antifa or the New york times racist and tell me why they arent banned from their free speech platforms

Thanks for names, I’ll look into them...notice a lot of them have been suspended not straight up banned likes jones. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Thanks for names, I’ll look into them...notice a lot of them have been suspended not straight up banned likes jones. 

The ones I mentioned their content has been banned.  That is just as bad. 

Youtube has shut down H3H3's livestream that they were doing and gave them a community strike because they were just talking about Alex Jones. 

Gavin McInnes/Proud Boys was banned from Twitter with no reason given. 

I have to wonder who will be next.

Why can’t any of these banned guys start up their own video site?  Who cares if some private companies chose not to have them.