posted by Fletch

The example for the private sector would be having your evaluation be determined on how well others do at their job.  Its fair because you all work at the same place right?

Lol, what a moron.

1/2 of my bonus every year is based on how other people in my group did in the year. 1/2 is based on how I did.

You keep saying shit like it only happens to teachers yet the private world deals with it all the time. 

It’s almost like you not only have never worked in the real world but you also have never even asked friends/family that do work in the real world how the real world works.

posted by jmog

Oh I do, I just think its hilarious that no profession complains about their job more than teachers.

Not that I disagree, but I think a lot of it is the union.  Obviously, many members will drink the kool-aid, but a lot of the hyperbole and entitlement is a marketing/negotiating tactic.  If we're being honest, probably over 90% of the population thinks he or she is underpaid.

I don't think it's that different from other unions, either.  Bend over backwards to protect the 5% turds who should be fired because that's the frontline to preserve all the job security/protections they've won.

posted by gut

Not that I disagree, but I think a lot of it is the union.  Obviously, many members will drink the kool-aid, but a lot of the hyperbole and entitlement is a marketing/negotiating tactic.  If we're being honest, probably over 90% of the population thinks he or she is underpaid.

I don't think it's that different from other unions, either.  Bend over backwards to protect the 5% turds who should be fired because that's the frontline to preserve all the job security/protections they've won.

You may not be wrong, but that just means they aren’t just whiners they are dumb enough to get brainwashed by their union and repeat it all.

posted by jmog

Lol, what a moron.

1/2 of my bonus every year is based on how other people in my group did in the year. 1/2 is based on how I did.

You keep saying shit like it only happens to teachers yet the private world deals with it all the time. 

It’s almost like you not only have never worked in the real world but you also have never even asked friends/family that do work in the real world how the real world works.

The flaw in your example is your “bonus” isn’t your “pay”,  it’s a bonus.  Your lu my you get payed on performance.  Now take your “pay” and subject it to other peoples performance and see what your tune is.

posted by Fletch

The flaw in your example is your “bonus” isn’t your “pay”,  it’s a bonus.  Your lu my you get payed on performance.  Now take your “pay” and subject it to other peoples performance and see what your tune is.

Not just bonuses, but increases are determined by how departments/divisions/entire organizations do.  Not to mention people who are paid on commission - much of which it determined by how a company performs logistically, operationally - things out of a commission earner's control.  

There are countless examples of professions that have compensation in part based upon things outside the employee's control.  Why in the world do you think that is unique to teaching.  

All this aside, why in the world did you voluntarily become a teacher if you hate it so much?

posted by jmog

You may not be wrong, but that just means they aren’t just whiners they are dumb enough to get brainwashed by their union and repeat it all.

And a big issue is, though teachers may not get paid a ton of money,  they cannot be fired either, unless they basically commit murder or engage in inappropriate behavior with students.   They can be bad, really bad, at their 'profession, and remain employed.  And that type of situation weighs everyone down, including the good ones, which is why the model is failing our kids. 

There should be no public sector unions, especially militant ones that are cheating our kids. 

posted by Fletch

The flaw in your example is your “bonus” isn’t your “pay”,  it’s a bonus.  Your lu my you get payed on performance.  Now take your “pay” and subject it to other peoples performance and see what your tune is.

Congratulations on keeping going down the moron rabbit hole.

For most higher end management/engineering roles your bonus is absolutely part of your compensation.

My pay is absolutely subject to other peoples performance. For what I do that 20% bonus is part of my compensation package and it is part of my pay. 

If the rest of my group has a terrible year I make $10-15,000 less that year than I did say the year before. So yeah, it’s part of my “pay” when I get PAID $10-15,000 less if they don’t have a good year.

God you couldn’t be more of a moron if you tried.

posted by jmog

God you couldn’t be more of a moron if you tried.

There is a part of me that legit wants him to say "challenge accepted" to this just to see what the outcome is.

posted by justincredible

My federal withholdings went up $150 in the first pay period of 2022. I was told my taxes wouldn’t go up one penny, but it’s looking like I’m going to pay an extra $4000 to the feds this year. 

Figured out the issue. The entity that pays me changed (new division in the company or something, I'm not sure) and the reset all withholding elections. This switched my "married filing jointly" election to "married filing separately" thus the increase. 

So, Biden gets a pass on this one. But he's still an asshole.

In practice/function, most people's "bonuses" are pretty much guaranteed.  Some have a mix of "target" and "discretionary", but the former is basically an incentive to stick around the full year and isn't based on performance or profits.

Also, how in this day and age are most HR professionals incompetent when it comes to discussing comp?  COMPENSATION, idiot, of which base salary is only one of several components.  Oh, wait a minute, your bonus target is only 10%?  You don't offer health insurance?  I need to change my answer for base salary.

Here's a classic related to the above.  I had a discussion on a interim-to-hire position, and I know the market pretty well.  End up coming down to my bottom line number, which is still almost 50% higher than what they were offering.  So I asked a few questions, and was basically dead nuts on the fully loaded number, but their target was based only on the base salary.  I'm sitting there kind of dumbfounded - HOW IN THIS MARKET do you think you can offer a contract rate well below the total comp of the actual position?  Not to mention using long interim contracts as a screening tool probably won't work well in this labor market.

The other part about teaching evaluations is, we all had teachers. And we all knew who sucked and who didn’t, at like age 8. So no, I don’t need test results, it’s very easy to know who sucks or not. 

posted by gut

In practice/function, most people's "bonuses" are pretty much guaranteed.  Some have a mix of "target" and "discretionary", but the former is basically an incentive to stick around the full year and isn't based on performance or profits.

Also, how in this day and age are most HR professionals incompetent when it comes to discussing comp?  COMPENSATION, idiot, of which base salary is only one of several components.  Oh, wait a minute, your bonus target is only 10%?  You don't offer health insurance?  I need to change my answer for base salary.

Here's a classic related to the above.  I had a discussion on a interim-to-hire position, and I know the market pretty well.  End up coming down to my bottom line number, which is still almost 50% higher than what they were offering.  So I asked a few questions, and was basically dead nuts on the fully loaded number, but their target was based only on the base salary.  I'm sitting there kind of dumbfounded - HOW IN THIS MARKET do you think you can offer a contract rate well below the total comp of the actual position?  Not to mention using long interim contracts as a screening tool probably won't work well in this labor market.

Yup, how they don’t realize salary is just one “bucket”,, bonus, 401k matching, health care costs (premiums and total out of pocket), etc are all just different compensation “buckets” that will change your base salary requirement based on how “good” the other buckets are.

I just realized that Trump is the greatest campaigner in history - in 2016 he got Trump elected, then in 2020 he got Biden elected, and in 2024 he's going to get Hillary elected.

BILL: Hillary, I don't want to do another campaign for you.  Can't you see, the American people simply don't want you.

HILLARY: Bill, what's this I'm reading about this Ghislaine Maxwell woman procuring young girls for you, Prince Andrew and Epstein?

BILL: I'm here to help in any way I can Hill!

posted by gut

I just realized that Trump is the greatest campaigner in history - in 2016 he got Trump elected, then in 2020 he got Biden elected, and in 2024 he's going to get Hillary elected.

Trump vs. Hillary in 2024 is my cue to simply drop out of voting or caring about anything.

I can't believe Biden is blaming inflation on price gouging, again.

Wonder if he'll just completely mail in the last two years when Repubs take control of Congress next year.

You'd think he'd pivot to the center and work with Repubs to try to accomplish something for his legacy.  But if it isn't happening already, probably not changing.

posted by gut

I can't believe Biden is blaming inflation on price gouging, again.

Wonder if he'll just completely mail in the last two years when Repubs take control of Congress next year.

You'd think he'd pivot to the center and work with Repubs to try to accomplish something for his legacy.  But if it isn't happening already, probably not changing.

The flaw in this is that you think Biden is actually in charge of anything.

Hard to watch.

Meanwhile the Nasdaq is in correction territory now - down over 10%.

LOL...also, the idea that Biden is mentally fit for the job now appears to be a far left conspiracy.

posted by Fletch

The flaw in this is that you think Biden is actually in charge of anything.

Agree based on policy and appointments, and some of the rhetoric, he looks nothing like the moderate that he's always been and campaigned as.

The usual suspects can call it a conspiracy theory, but the fact is most of the country doesn't believe he's running things.

posted by gut

Agree based on policy and appointments, and some of the rhetoric, he looks nothing like the moderate that he's always been and campaigned as.

The usual suspects can call it a conspiracy theory, but the fact is most of the country doesn't believe he's running things.

I agree.  I think he’s “influenced” to do what he does - thereby technically making the decisions.  But he’s like a lot of guys his age - several speeds slower than in his prime.  

Imagine what Putin or Xi must think when talking with him.  Hell, imagine what Putin’s thought when talking to any of our last four president.  

posted by iclfan2

The other part about teaching evaluations is, we all had teachers. And we all knew who sucked and who didn’t, at like age 8. So no, I don’t need test results, it’s very easy to know who sucks or not. 

This is funny but true.

The teacher evaluating system could not be easier.

posted by Ironman92

This is funny but true.

The teacher evaluating system could not be easier.

Probably where you are at, they rubber stamping OTES for you?  They dont here.