posted by O-Trap

I can believe he'd off himself, given the position he's in.  I mean, his choices are effectively (a) go to prison for the rest of his natural life, or (b) try to cut a deal by pissing off a bunch of rich and powerful people who have already shown they have no problem victimizing people and breaking the law.

Well, there's unknown option C) that he already mostly beat federal charges.  I wouldn't bet he gets convicted.  I could see the charges mysteriously being dropped, or dismissed by a judge.  If all you have is one new witness (no idea), that's probably not enough for a jury even if she's a good witness.

I'm not sure ratting on powerful people will help him - because you're assuming NY or the feds want to charge those people (Trump, sure, but not anyone else).  But if he has the goods, those powerful people are already putting the fix in on his behalf (like, I assume, they did before).

posted by gut

Well, there's unknown option C) that he already mostly beat federal charges.  I wouldn't bet he gets convicted.  I could see the charges mysteriously being dropped, or dismissed by a judge.  If all you have is one new witness (no idea), that's probably not enough for a jury even if she's a good witness.

I'm not sure ratting on powerful people will help him - because you're assuming NY or the feds want to charge those people (Trump, sure, but not anyone else).  But if he has the goods, those powerful people are already putting the fix in on his behalf (like, I assume, they did before).

The C option is possible, sure.

As for the state or fed wanting to charge them, they'd still theoretically get crucified in the public, and it might open them up to an increased need for security, as I'm betting there would be vigilante nutballs trying to take matters into their own hands.

I'm sure that anyone relevant would be trying to help his case, but if there's any reasonable possibility that you get outed, how long do you let it go before trying to just keep him quiet?

posted by O-Trap

I'm sure that anyone relevant would be trying to help his case, but if there's any reasonable possibility that you get outed, how long do you let it go before trying to just keep him quiet?

The problem with the conspiracy theory is he was already convicted and served time.  And the "silence him" crowd just sits on their thumbs waiting for the other shoe to drop?

Pedo's are the lowest of the low in jail.  I'm sure there are plenty of inmates who'd be happy to murder a rich pedo.  And they would do it for free, without any prodding.

posted by gut

The problem with the conspiracy theory is he was already convicted and served time.  And the "silence him" crowd just sits on their thumbs waiting for the other shoe to drop?

Pedo's are the lowest of the low in jail.  I'm sure there are plenty of inmates who'd be happy to murder a rich pedo.  And they would do it for free, without any prodding.

Sure.  Another reason why it's perfectly plausible ... I'd even say probable ... that this could have been just himself trying to end it.

I think I've asked this before: But isn't this double jeapordy or does it apply in this instance? 

posted by CenterBHSFan

I think I've asked this before: But isn't this double jeapordy or does it apply in this instance? 

1) I believe these are state charges.  You can, in fact, be charged for the same crime by the feds and also by the state.

2) I think double jeopardy also does not apply because they have one or more new witnesses not involved in the previous case.

So Tulsi Gabbard is suing Google for $50M because her ad account was blocked/deactivated after the debate when she was getting a surge in traffic.

Legit, or elaborate scheme to skirt campaign finance laws and have Google give her campaign tens of millions of dollars via "settlement"?

posted by gut

So Tulsi Gabbard is suing Google for $50M because her ad account was blocked/deactivated after the debate when she was getting a surge in traffic.

 

Legit, or elaborate scheme to skirt campaign finance laws and have Google give her campaign tens of millions of dollars via "settlement"?

There's a very real possibility that she could make a case for her losses to be in the millions as a result of having the account shut down.

Not sure what she would accuse Google of doing, though.  It's their business and their ad platform.

posted by O-Trap

There's a very real possibility that she could make a case for her losses to be in the millions as a result of having the account shut down.

$50M?  Even $1M over a few hours, possibly a day?  $6M for these campaigns at this stage is a big haul over a MONTH.  I would guess her damages are more realistically in the low six-figures.

Which is why I threw it into the conspiracy thread.  $50M?  Would that money go to Gabbard, or her campaign?  In either event, you see the problem.  If Google settles for just a few million, it should perhaps be investigated as a campaign finance violation.

That would be a neat trick.  Have Elon Musk say something defamatory about Kamala.  She sues him for slander, and then he can write a big fat settlement check.

Well, Google has been under scrutiny for suppressing free information (iirc), stifling competing companies, and teaming up with other tech valley companies to banish certain people. It's not just your average competition when you team up with other industries such as other social media like youtube and even the banking industry. There's some pretty shady stuff going on once you dig beneath the surface.  
With all of this going on I can easily believe that they stifled a political figure. It's probably going to happen again if they get away with picking political winners and losers the first time. Very scary thought when you think about what they've been up to. I'm going to guess that's the reason why the amount Gabbard is suing for is so large - not to mention it shines a very big light on things.

posted by gut

$50M?  Even $1M over a few hours, possibly a day?  $6M for these campaigns at this stage is a big haul over a MONTH.  I would guess her damages are more realistically in the low six-figures.

Which is why I threw it into the conspiracy thread.  $50M?  Would that money go to Gabbard, or her campaign?  In either event, you see the problem.  If Google settles for just a few million, it should perhaps be investigated as a campaign finance violation.

That would be a neat trick.  Have Elon Musk say something defamatory about Kamala.  She sues him for slander, and then he can write a big fat settlement check.

I'm not saying I believe her, but with a high enough ad-spend, it's absolutely possible to get there with PPC in a day.
I don't know what normal ranges are for AdWords campaigns used in politics, but it's not impossible.

Alex Jones was served with papers from multiple attorneys general telling him to cease and desist with selling his crap that promises to kill coronavirus.  Like televangelist Jim Bakker, there is a special place in hell for him.  

I think some Dem governors are being slow to open the economy not to hurt Trump, but because they expect Dems to take all 3 branches in 2020 and give the states a monster bailout.  Going to bury their budget mistakes under the Covid-19 fallout umbrella.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/19/son-of-federal-judge-esther-salas-shot-dead-husband-wounded-in-new-jersey-attack/

Ok, if there was any doubt that some high powered people arent going down in the Epstein case.....read this headline

posted by Spock

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/19/son-of-federal-judge-esther-salas-shot-dead-husband-wounded-in-new-jersey-attack/

Ok, if there was any doubt that some high powered people arent going down in the Epstein case.....read this headline

Gotta be the Clinton's doing it right? I mean they are a professional hit squad....

You guys see the conspiracy theory about people burning the flag on July 4th in Gettysburg? 

The Post has a good story about the guy behind the story and how people fell for it. I'm sure a few poeple here would have fell for it.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/07/17/gettysburg-antifa-flag-burning-troll/?arc404=true

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Gotta be the Clinton's doing it right? I mean they are a professional hit squad....

https://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/the-list-of-clinton-associates-whove-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/

Sorry but this one is old.  I mean come on....50 people diretly linked to them are dead?

How many degrees of separation are they from Kevin Bacon, though?

Anyone read the Wayfair conspiracies? Pretty gd creepy

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Gotta be the Clinton's doing it right? I mean they are a professional hit squad....

Who knows?  What we do know is Clinton is the only president with a body count going.

posted by SportsAndLady

Anyone read the Wayfair conspiracies? Pretty gd creepy

I fell down that rabbit hole for a while. And then the dude got arrested for trafficking and he was wearing a Wayfair shirt in his mugshot.

UPDATE: Suspect in shooting of federal judge's family found dead in apparent suicide in New York state - WABC https://t.co/fzmmhgq4Je

— BNO News (@BNONews) July 20, 2020

Turns out that some of the conspiracy theories floated around the internet are actually true!

Whodathunk?

Everyone on the Epstein island list is a national security threat and should be treated as such. I am 100% serious.