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justincredible

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Tue, Apr 25, 2023 4:47 PM

Musk hosts on twitter. 

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QuakerOats

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Wed, Apr 26, 2023 10:50 AM
posted by CenterBHSFan

They really need to change the format of the debates. Make it a sit-down, long format, podcast sort of thing. Something has to change.



No sense in worrying about the format, the DNC is not going to allow any primary debates.   Rule # 1 in rigging an election: silence debate. 

Automatik

Senior Member

Wed, Apr 26, 2023 10:59 AM

Already throwing out rigged election nonsense on 4/26/23. NICE! 

gut

Senior Member

Wed, Apr 26, 2023 11:01 AM
posted by justincredible

Musk hosts on twitter. 

I think the "soundbite" format is preferred by both parties.  It really does tell you how ignorant the average voter is that giving long, complex answers isn't remotely effective.

Neither side would ever agree to a moderator that actually challenges the candidates on the issues.

gut

Senior Member

Wed, Apr 26, 2023 11:03 AM
posted by Automatik

Already throwing out rigged election nonsense on 4/26/23. NICE! 

I can't imagine Trump being anything other than a complete train wreck in the debates.  He probably wouldn't even need to be prompted to launch into how the election is rigged, and then he goes on a 2020 election rant again....and, well, it only takes a swing of 1-2% to tilt the election.

It's kind of funny watching the Republicans dance around the fact they know he can't win the general, but don't want to alienate any Trump voters.

Dr Winston O'Boogie

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Wed, Apr 26, 2023 1:02 PM
posted by Automatik

Already throwing out rigged election nonsense on 4/26/23. NICE! 

2020 was STOLEN!!!!!


Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Wed, Apr 26, 2023 1:06 PM
posted by gut

I can't imagine Trump being anything other than a complete train wreck in the debates.  He probably wouldn't even need to be prompted to launch into how the election is rigged, and then he goes on a 2020 election rant again....and, well, it only takes a swing of 1-2% to tilt the election.

It's kind of funny watching the Republicans dance around the fact they know he can't win the general, but don't want to alienate any Trump voters.

I’m not huge in Desantis, but at least he’s a middle age man with a semblance of caring about more than self-promotion.  Ramaswamy would be a fantastic candidate, but the GOP powers that be certainly won’t allow that.  Just like the dems threw out the only person perhaps that could lose to Trump in 2016, the GOP appears to be returning the favor.


Heretic

Son of the Sun

Wed, Apr 26, 2023 1:08 PM
posted by Automatik

Already throwing out rigged election nonsense on 4/26/23. NICE! 

Hey, gotta come up with a reason for losing elections other than *GASP* self-assessment and realizing that the shit that fires up your diehard core doesn't actually align with the population in general!

Hell, read an article today saying that conservative billionaire tech guy Peter Thiel has no current plans to invest in the Pubs for '24 because he feels they should be focused on innovation and competing with China in that regard -- you know, shit that might actually have purpose and meaning -- as opposed to all the culture war frivolousness that both parties take turns rustling each others' jimmies over.

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Automatik

Senior Member

Wed, Apr 26, 2023 1:51 PM

BUCKLE. IT. UP.

gut

Senior Member

Wed, Apr 26, 2023 3:28 PM

LOL Chris Christie trying so hard to be THE conservative and explaining why no one else is conservative.

He's not necessarily wrong, but I think he's what people commonly refer to as a RINO.


As for Peter Thiel, he's obviously right that we're debating and dividing the country over largely stupid and frivolous shit.  But these career politicians only care about re-election, and campaigning and winning on the stuff Thiel talks about is REALLY HARD.

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Wed, Apr 26, 2023 6:19 PM

I know very little about Thiel, except that he's very wealthy and has opinions.  I like that he's not very noticeable.

gut

Senior Member

Sat, May 13, 2023 1:15 PM

Desantis speaking at an Iowa fundraiser.  First time I've really heard him speak at length.

He's killing it.  Called DEI "division, exclusion and indoctrination".  Trump wants no part in debating this guy.

Dr Winston O'Boogie

Senior Member

Sat, May 13, 2023 2:59 PM
posted by gut

Desantis speaking at an Iowa fundraiser.  First time I've really heard him speak at length.

He's killing it.  Called DEI "division, exclusion and indoctrination".  Trump wants no part in debating this guy.

I would love to watch those debates.  Hope they happen  


Heretic

Son of the Sun

Sat, May 13, 2023 3:45 PM
posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I would love to watch those debates.  Hope they happen  


If they would, hopefully CC comes back to tell us how Trump really schooled DeSantis because 4-D chess.

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Mon, Jun 5, 2023 8:18 PM

RFKjr has said in the past (a few years ago) that he supports gun control of sorts. Today he has a different view:


gut

Senior Member

Mon, Jun 5, 2023 8:47 PM

I have to see more of RFK Jr. before I jump onboard.  He's a life-long liberal and environmentalist - I think he may be running an unorthodox campaign where he pretends to be moderate and then moves to the left.

We shall see.  I'm not sure that's an effective strategy to win the primary - Biden only won because he was viewed - correctly - as the only one who could beat Trump.  But if Dems are looking for someone else...well, maybe they think RFK Jr. is the guy to beat Trump and Biden can't.  But I'm not sure the left wing of that party will support another moderate.  They'll never vote Repub, but they aren't turning out for Biden, especially in the primaries.

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Mon, Jun 5, 2023 9:39 PM

Well, the DNC isn't going to hold a primary, are they? Unless they've since changed their mind. I don't know, but I doubt it. If that is the case, I don't see how RFK can win a primary, much less to go toe to toe with whoever the republican primary winner will be. He will need the DNC to have a good shot at it.

I'm not against environmentalism just for the sake of being against it. But there has to be a better way than putting people out of work and making everything exponentially more expensive, which is the present course of action for the dems. 

I'm not against the dems just for the sake of being against them. But so far, RFK is the only one coming from the dems that seems to be of sound mind, reasonable, is against abusing the power of the federal government (and all of it's included entities) to weaponize against the people. That alone is catching my interest in a big way. And since he came out today supporting 2A as an absolutist - I have to admit that he's courting me more and more.

I still have a hard time listening to him talk and wish that there was a way to help his voice. Ugh!

justincredible

Honorable Admin

Tue, Jun 6, 2023 1:16 PM

I'm pretty sure I've seen RFKJ call out the climate scam that promises they can fix the environment if we give government's more money and power. He has mentioned the importance of clean water and the like. 

gut

Senior Member

Wed, Jun 7, 2023 12:17 PM

I continue to be amazed by how many people with absolutely no national profile enter the race with dreams they could actually be elected.

I assume most are using it to raise their profile - for a governor maybe it's a path to the Senate.  Maybe some have delusions of being VP.  But I think most are hoping for a book deal (though this seems much more likely if you run as a Dem espousing some crazy far left shit).


Just saying, most Americans probably don't even know North Dakota is a state....

justincredible

Honorable Admin

Wed, Jun 7, 2023 12:38 PM
posted by gut

Just saying, most Americans probably don't even know North Dakota is a state....

Isn't that in Canada?

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

Mon, Jun 12, 2023 7:58 AM

With the latest indictment, two of Trump's lawyers have quit his service lol

I can only speculate the reason(s) why, but I can easily imagine that he just keeps getting in his own way.

j_crazy

7 gram rocks. how i roll.

Mon, Jun 12, 2023 10:58 AM
posted by gut

I continue to be amazed by how many people with absolutely no national profile enter the race with dreams they could actually be elected.

I assume most are using it to raise their profile - for a governor maybe it's a path to the Senate.  Maybe some have delusions of being VP.  But I think most are hoping for a book deal (though this seems much more likely if you run as a Dem espousing some crazy far left shit).


Just saying, most Americans probably don't even know North Dakota is a state....

I'll go one step further, Doug Bergum's only real public battle was him fighting to allow Bill Gates to buy huge swaths of farmland in ND. he's a dead dog, no hunt here. It's meatball Ron or crooked Donald for the Repubs, the Dems might actually have a viable option if they ever get off Biden's limp noodle.


j_crazy

7 gram rocks. how i roll.

Mon, Jun 12, 2023 11:00 AM
posted by CenterBHSFan

With the latest indictment, two of Trump's lawyers have quit his service lol

I can only speculate the reason(s) why, but I can easily imagine that he just keeps getting in his own way.

i think it's because there are things in that indictment where trump was actively trying to undermine their ability to do their jobs and likely they didn't realize it was happening at the time. no point in sticking your neck out helping someone who has no interenst in being forthwright with you.

Heretic

Son of the Sun

Mon, Jun 12, 2023 11:48 AM
posted by CenterBHSFan

With the latest indictment, two of Trump's lawyers have quit his service lol

I can only speculate the reason(s) why, but I can easily imagine that he just keeps getting in his own way.

That's what I'd assume. I'd guess that if you're a lawyer and actually serious about being one (as opposed to the horde of clowns Trump used in his "tHe eLeCtIoN wUz sToLeN!!1!" cases), you're probably not overly pleased with a client whose reaction to any allegation is to immediately run to social media or a hot mic to loudly proclaim "witch hunt" and try to fire up the base. I'm pretty sure top lawyers prefer it if they're the ones doing the talking and the client sticks to saying what they're told to say and Trump never has come off as a guy who's content to stick to a script while sitting back and letting others make the comments.

gut

Senior Member

Mon, Jun 12, 2023 12:47 PM

I know one of his lawyers, who might have been charged, attested that all documents had been turned over.  Which was probably what Trump had assured him, and turned out not to be true.

So, yeah, if you don't want Trump's lies to potentially compromise your career, you run.

Trump is also toxic to your brand for over half the country.  Representing Trump could cost you some serious revenue losses, ESPECIALLY if you actually win.