Why no school shooter thread?

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 1:42 PM

I guess the more I read on what constitutes a prohibited person, he might not have qualified as such and the purchase could have gone through. But it seems like a complete lack of judgement for the FBI not to follow up on a guy that they knew had made threats in the past and they knew had purchased a gun legally.

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 1:44 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

It is really sad. It is really sad we are in a place where it no longer surpises us that this happens. It is the "norm" that kids can just get shot at school. 

It stems from nobody of power or influence gives a damn about trying to solve the problem and eliminate mass shootings. You can say, well it is a mental health issue, and maybe that makes you feel better. Well, maybe it is a mental health issue, so how do you address that? The feds, states, and local governments are gutting those programs, so words do not lead to action. 

Maybe the FBI did know a lot and just failed to follow up or maybe thye had other more important cases that came up, I don't know.

The important thing is nobody gives a damn anymore to even attempt at trying to prevent or stop this. We all say, oh this is sad, thoughts and prayers, , good luck, and then move on. Rinse and repeat. 

We live in a world where it is now ok for kids to get shot in the school and in the end, that's not problem we need to solve. 

 

It all starts at the family level, and with conscience formation.  Major problems at the family level, and lack of conscience and respect lead to most of this stuff ...........

But society seems to be doing everything it can to tear down the family structure and traditional religious values, and replace it with more government. 

And some wonder why we are where we are. 

thavoice Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 1:56 PM
posted by like_that

Apparently it doesn't mean shit these days.

posted by thavoice
 
posted by kizer permanente

http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-death-statistics-assault-mass-shootings-accidents-2017-10

There is a reason why people dont believe the anti gun people when the bring out stats like this.

 

That article states 11,000 die a year due to guns, more or less.

 

If you look up the stats for traffic fatalites, in 2016 there were over 37,000 people killed in auto accidents, and average of 104 a day.

 

One can fanagle stats many ways to prove their own agenda.   

 

Last I looked 37,461 > 11,000


I'm forced to actually agree with thavoice.  Everything I have ever read or heard is we are more likely to die from a car crash than a gun shot.  If you stay out of violent areas, the odds are even more in your favor.

And yes, being dishonest about the gun debate is why the "gun weirdos" dig in for their arguments.  You might think they are "weirdos"  (god forbid law abiding citizens excercise/show support for their 2nd amendment rights), but most know a lot about guns and the data that comes with it.  Don't come in with some weak bullshit argument without thinking it thru or researching it.

Your slowly coming along....

Those nuts may have good points on some things  but when they trot out stats like that everyone will just dismiss all else they have to say.

 

Only way for this to end is taking away all guns going door to door.   That isn't happening and I'm notmsure we want to live in a society where you g o throguh TSA type of security everywhere we go

Spock Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 4:19 PM
posted by justincredible

Maybe it's time to stop looking to government for a solution? It seems like we, as a society, lean too heavily on a system that has shown time and time again that it really doesn't give a shit about anything but expanding its own power and influence. Or maybe I'm just too cynical when it comes to government.

True......we dont need someone in DC to make a law to try to prevent these.  It wont.  

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 4:22 PM

In this particular case: There are several building in this school's campus. Does anybody know how many resource officers/cops there were? 

 

thavoice Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 4:25 PM
posted by CenterBHSFan

In this particular case: There are several building in this school's campus. Does anybody know how many resource officers/cops there were? 

 

Unless there is a competant cop in each wing of a school it likely isnt going to do any good whatsoever and if you are a shooter you take out the unsuspecting officer first.

 

There isnt an easy answer.

 

other than confiscating every gun.

 

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 4:31 PM

Ok, some kids from that school are saying that there was more than one shooter. I have to wonder if in the shock of the moment that their memories are jumbled.

 

thavoice Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 4:50 PM

That didn't take long.  This comes out often.  Likely just mistaken as it can be a very confusing time and unless they say they actually saw a second shooter then I'm not going to buy in.

Spock Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 5:14 PM
posted by CenterBHSFan

Ok, some kids from that school are saying that there was more than one shooter. I have to wonder if in the shock of the moment that their memories are jumbled.

 

Fake news

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 5:58 PM

Reported that no connection with the white supremecist group. Was highly skeptical in the first place. Don’t worry dumbasses like Piers Morgan haven’t changed their tweets. People with first hot takes without facts are such fucks. And they still could find a link, but it just continues the saga of bullshit reporting and lemmings drinking it up. 

Same thing with people trying to defend the “18” school shootings lie. This is why no one trusts the media.

Spock Senior Member
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Thu, Feb 15, 2018 6:46 PM

Dont forget the 2nd shooter crap.

Belly35 Elderly Intellectual
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Fri, Feb 16, 2018 11:54 AM

To think that everyone should be permitted to carry a weapon is bat shit crazy and to suggest such an idea is an indication of one’s ignorance.  The assumption that everyone that is a gun owner is a crazy shoot first individual, is the same narrow mind illiterate that would claim home school kids are serial killers.

I’m a strong believer that ownership of weapons is a privilege to be earned. That the rules for CCW should require 10 hours of proven range shooting per year to maintain a permit. Dont suggest that Belly believes something you’ve made up to get the attention of others to read your bull shit.

 For all you “gun controls ass wipes” that is not the fix or the solution. That a suggestion of the weak non-understanding minded and agenda driven cowards. The creators of the problem and the lack of balls to admit the wrong.

The destruction of the family unit, limitation of prayer, patriotism and honor, required military duty, liberal idea of teaching, lack of parenting and structure, inability of communication between counselor, parents, school officials, police and legal authorities is part of the blame. This is what the gun control activitist has created with their progressive thinking. Mental illness is the trigger that pulls the trigger. This is where the effort should be focused Mental illness. The identification of social deviants, problem individual, broken family structure and data base of records shared with authorities is a start.

Step 2 protection.   1.4 million Retired military individual that .04 percent of the population. This does not include retired police, fire and ems personal. Think of a base that is trained, back ground checked and volunteered to help support and protect our school, malls and streets. What was once a Civil Defense program could be re developed. It is a know and proven fact that the presents of resistance and the quick of that presents saves lives….

What to do something quick and effective … this is a solution .......not .. “gun control” 

“Trained Retired Volunteer Prevention Security” 

salto Senior Member
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Fri, Feb 16, 2018 12:00 PM
posted by Belly35

1.4 million Retired military individual that .04 percent of the population. This does not include retired police, fire and ems personal. Think of a base that is trained, back ground checked and volunteered to help support and protect our school, malls and streets. What was once a Civil Defense program could be re developed. It is a know and proven fact that the presents of resistance and the quick of that presents saves lives….

What to do something quick and effective … this is a solution .......not .. “gun control” 

“Trained Retired Volunteer Prevention Security” 

Any lawyers want to take a grab at this idea?  When the sh*t hits the fan and a TRVPS fatally wounds a bystander, what happens?    

Belly35 Elderly Intellectual
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Fri, Feb 16, 2018 12:16 PM
posted by salto

Any lawyers want to take a grab at this idea?  When the sh*t hits the fan and a TRVPS fatally wounds a bystander, what happens?    

Kids don't die...  get a grip Collateral Damage happens ... is there a war on terrorist/school shooting  or is there not     

You cant have it both ways .. 

 

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Fri, Feb 16, 2018 1:21 PM

Fbi admits it fucked up. Media and the left (one in the same) can quit blaming republicans and the NRA now.

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Fri, Feb 16, 2018 1:33 PM
posted by iclfan2

Fbi admits it fucked up. Media and the left (one in the same) can quit blaming republicans and the NRA now.

They can but won't. Even when it's clear that the failure falls under the executive branch, they'll always use the tragedy to attempt to pass laws taking away more of everyone's freedom.

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Fri, Feb 16, 2018 3:21 PM
posted by iclfan2

Fbi admits it fucked up. Media and the left (one in the same) can quit blaming republicans and the NRA now.

Gov. Scott calls on FBI director Wray to resign. 

 

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Fri, Feb 16, 2018 3:47 PM
posted by QuakerOats

Gov. Scott calls on FBI director Wray to resign. 

 

I think that's a bit much. How would the director know anything going on at a field office? Fire the people actually responsible.

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Fri, Feb 16, 2018 3:48 PM

Please don’t attack me, as I am not suggesting any solutions. I am nowhere near qualified to do so. My simple observation, and it may be wrong, so please feel free to educate me in a rational manner, is that a handgun probably doesn’t result in the mass killings. We may not be able to stop school/Vegas/Orlando/etc shootings, but from the outside it seems we could limit the amount of people killed in such shootings. 

Again, I admit I may be wrong and am definitely ignorant on gun ownership, but what place in society goes an automatic weapon have? Like, if AR-15 were not legal for anyone, who does that hurt?

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Fri, Feb 16, 2018 3:59 PM
posted by Laley23

Please don’t attack me, as I am not suggesting any solutions. I am nowhere near qualified to do so. My simple observation, and it may be wrong, so please feel free to educate me in a rational manner, is that a handgun probably doesn’t result in the mass killings. We may not be able to stop school/Vegas/Orlando/etc shootings, but from the outside it seems we could limit the amount of people killed in such shootings. 

Again, I admit I may be wrong and am definitely ignorant on gun ownership, but what place in society goes an automatic weapon have? Like, if AR-15 were not legal for anyone, who does that hurt?

An AR15 is not an automatic, automatic weapons are essentially banned.  As for pistol vs. AR, other than Vegas, a pistol could do the same damage. Take Florida, if you have 2 Glocks holding 16 rounds each, plus a few extra magazines (or loaded guns), you would do the same amount of damage.

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