posted by kizer permanenteHonestly... probably not a ton. I even like my job. But I have a character flaw where I get bored easily with nearly everything. Job included. Sometimes I look for new jobs not even b/c I'm unhappy, but just for something to do. Same with cars. Same with houses. I'm sure there's a mental diagnosis for it.
Whatever it is, my mother in law has it, too. Except she actually buys those houses and cars. She spends money like she hates it.
posted by jmogDo you feel like there has been any of the negative risks that people think will happen when you tell them you had an offer yet stayed? Like tension about “loyalty”, about if they are looking for other people in case you leave or they want to replace you, etc?
Not even a little.
posted by justincredible20% would definitely do it. My only requirement is fully remote.
i'm here also. i would leave for 20% if it was an identical role, still 100% in person, and the commute was identical.
i'd leave for 10-15% less money if it meant i could be 100% remote and had no restrictions on where i could live.
posted by kizer permanenteHonestly... probably not a ton. I even like my job. But I have a character flaw where I get bored easily with nearly everything. Job included. Sometimes I look for new jobs not even b/c I'm unhappy, but just for something to do. Same with cars. Same with houses. I'm sure there's a mental diagnosis for it.
I think I would rather have this then the people who are afraid of change
posted by jmogOof, I have heard that was typically a bad idea as your current company now knows you were looking and may start looking for your replacement.
Hope it works out for you and what I have heard is wrong.
Congratulations on the nice pay increase however.
I finished at 378% of my sales goal in 2021. If they want to replace me, good luck.
posted by supermanI finished at 378% of my sales goal in 2021. If they want to replace me, good luck.
Did they raise you goal for this year?
What do you sell?
posted by Ironman92Did they raise you goal for this year?
What do you sell?
They did raise my goal.
Financial products
posted by supermanI finished at 378% of my sales goal in 2021. If they want to replace me, good luck.
I am in a similar position. I am an application engineer doing the technical engineering for a sales/account manager. So my goals and bonus is based around how many $$ I help the account managers land in the year.
3 years ago 200% of my goal.
2 years ago 250% of my goal.
Last year 290% of my goal.
And the goal keeps going up.
Only been in this role for 3 years.
Won the “award” for highest in group 2 years in a row.
This is part of the reason the competitor is going after me, that information is in my resume, but also why the current company, that I do like working at, would want to keep me.
Definitely in a conundrum. New place is like 30% higher salary/bonus and probably better 401k (don’t have exact information yet but I believe it is).
At an already really good salary/bonus structure 30% is a large sum of money…
posted by justincredibleNot even a little.
How did you approach the raise request with your boss once you had the offer?
posted by jmogHow did you approach the raise request with your boss once you had the offer?
I said I had an offer from another company and was leaning towards taking it. We had a zoom chat. Then his boss asked scheduled a zoom chat with me. He asked if he could pass it up to his boss, which I said yes. He called me not too long after that. I had very frank conversations with all three of them, letting them know exactly why I was planning on leaving (use your imagination). They all understood my point of view, and two of the three said they struggled with it as well. Big boss asked if he could get a pay bump if it would change my mind. In the end I decided to stay, but it was a very tough choice.
posted by friendfromlowryWhatever it is, my mother in law has it, too. Except she actually buys those houses and cars. She spends money like she hates it.
I’ll be on Zillow looking at houses I can’t afford and even thinking about asking realtors to see them lol. I don’t because I don’t want to waste anyones time. But yeah … when I have any kind of free time it has to be filled with something. I picked up reading again and that’s fine, but sometimes o just don’t feel like reading a book. So I’ll get on Zillow or go to car manufacturers websites and check out their future cars or get on LinkedIn and see what’s out there for jobs.
posted by justincredibleI said I had an offer from another company and was leaning towards taking it. We had a zoom chat. Then his boss asked scheduled a zoom chat with me. He asked if he could pass it up to his boss, which I said yes. He called me not too long after that. I had very frank conversations with all three of them, letting them know exactly why I was planning on leaving (use your imagination). They all understood my point of view, and two of the three said they struggled with it as well. Big boss asked if he could get a pay bump if it would change my mind. In the end I decided to stay, but it was a very tough choice.
Mine will be an interesting situation.
I have a soft offer, meaning they have agreed to my minimum but want 1 more interview and I have to look through the details of the rest of the benefits and bonus plan. Then a contract offer would come after some negotiation.
I expect that to all happen in say the next 2 weeks to get a contract offer.
The recruiter and I talked about a delayed start by a couple months because of my yearly bonus in March. It’s substantial and I won’t leave without it. He said that would not be a problem, accept the offer in early February, start end of March after bonus hits and a 2 week notice.
My conundrum is if I am still torn after new company offers 30% range increase (rest of situation seems similar) I would probably have to approach my boss in a week or 2 about a raise rather than waiting until March because that, in my mind, would be rude/unethical to lead the other company on for well over a month if I chose to stay.
I can’t bring up the offer for that reason, if current company decided to tell me to “take it and go” I would be out of the bonus (we don’t get it if we leave before the bonus unless it’s retirement).
So I would have to ask for a raise without mentioning the other offer.
Will be an interesting conversation.
posted by jmogSo I would have to ask for a raise without mentioning the other offer.
Might not be as interesting as you think. Consulting firms should be use to this. Bonus time on Wall Street is notorious for resignations the day after the checks go out.
I think the best approach, if you're willing to stay with a pay increase, is to just ask instead of leveraging an offer. But I probably wouldn't recommend having that conversation before getting the bonus.
Just worry about yourself and not hurting some company's or recruiter's feelings. They are used to it, and more than a few have probably done way worse to candidates. Not matching your bonus with a sign-on bonus is a risk they are choosing to take. There's no loyalty to you, and I've been ghosted by so many recruiters that I don't even send thank you's half the time. And if I've sent a cover letter in the last 5 years, I can't remember (nothing more than a short intro).
Very recently, I was up for pretty close to my dream job. I didn't get the position, but I can say that even though I absolutely love my current job, the combination of several factors at the other company made it an easy decision to leave. Since I was passed over, I'll probably stay here for at least 5-10 more years.
Well, all the original post will come to a head one way or another tomorrow and next week.
Other company wanted to hold off until March due to the bonus thing (they knew I wouldn’t leave until my yearly bonus in March since it was almost $30k) plus I think they may have been hoping to get someone cheaper in the mean time, but they came back to me last week and restarted talks (one quick chat really last week to touch base again).
Recruiter is sure they will offer exactly what I am asking base salary wise. Which would mean the total base + bonus (average bonus) is about 35% higher. 401k slightly better, health insurance premiums lower, and a company car (can sell one of mine).
Assuming he’s right, I will hear all this by tomorrow or Thursday.
If he is right I have decided I will take it and have to give my resignation next week…”perfect” timing since I am traveling around all New England on business this week and next week our group is having our quarterly in person meeting (most of our group is remote around the country) as well as honoring our one team member that is retiring at the end of April.
All 3 years I have been in this role the top two performers in our group each year has been the woman retiring in a few weeks and myself. She was 1/2/2 I was 2/1/1 the last 3 years out of 7 people in our group across the country.
If it all goes down, next week will be interesting to say the least.
not much. a better climate Ohio weather is truly shitty
The sale of our house. Moving somewhere with drastically lower property taxes and real estate prices, and calling it a career.
posted by jmogWell, all the original post will come to a head one way or another tomorrow and next week.
Other company wanted to hold off until March due to the bonus thing (they knew I wouldn’t leave until my yearly bonus in March since it was almost $30k) plus I think they may have been hoping to get someone cheaper in the mean time, but they came back to me last week and restarted talks (one quick chat really last week to touch base again).
Recruiter is sure they will offer exactly what I am asking base salary wise. Which would mean the total base + bonus (average bonus) is about 35% higher. 401k slightly better, health insurance premiums lower, and a company car (can sell one of mine).
Assuming he’s right, I will hear all this by tomorrow or Thursday.
If he is right I have decided I will take it and have to give my resignation next week…”perfect” timing since I am traveling around all New England on business this week and next week our group is having our quarterly in person meeting (most of our group is remote around the country) as well as honoring our one team member that is retiring at the end of April.
All 3 years I have been in this role the top two performers in our group each year has been the woman retiring in a few weeks and myself. She was 1/2/2 I was 2/1/1 the last 3 years out of 7 people in our group across the country.
If it all goes down, next week will be interesting to say the least.
Good luck!
For those of you with HOA's, are those fees going up commensurately?
I’m being asked about a potential job in my hometown that would eliminate my 65 min of travel each way 5x a week, but also give me way less hours at home and summers wouldn’t be off…..but my last kid is a senior and it would be a salary increase. I think to take it (if offered in due time) I’d need $15,000+ more per year. But would also be big for retirement purposes here in 10 years.
