Trump. The convicted felon

posted by CenterBHSFan

Answers none of my questions. 

Correct.

posted by gut

Again, try to keep up.  It's absolutely a question - Trump said he paid a legal bill.  That is an indisputable fact, and I'm 100% certain that paying a legal bill is not a crime.

Where the crime comes in, without even getting into the novel way the DA linked the charges, errr a misdemeanor with an implied, nebulous non-charge, the "crime" is that he had knowledge and intent to commit fraud.  The ONLY evidence for that was the word of multi-convicted perjurer Michael Cohen.  No corroborating witnesses to that, and one person (perhaps equally un-credible) refuting it.  For any non-uber partisan person, that's a slam-dunk for reasonable doubt.

For something as trivial as this, if you're following the advice of counsel you're likely not going to be charged, much less convicted for the incompetence/fraud committed by your counsel.  But because Michael Cohen said Trump told him to do it...

And since you're so completely convinced Trump committed a crime, I'd just point out the FEC - the one that fined, but declined to charge, Hillary and the DNC for basically the exact same thing - voted NOT to charge or fine Trump.

Let that sink in for a minute - the expert regulatory body charged with oversight passed on even fining Trump for this "crime".  Yet somehow a state prosecutor revived an expired statute to charge Trump for that federal crime.  You can't find a much clearer example of "tell me who and I'll find the crime" (that's a reference to Stalinist USSR, in case you're unfamiliar).

"But the six-person bipartisan agency, which requires four affirmative votes to take most official actions, including launching an investigation, deadlocked on the recommendation, as it frequently does. By voting against the recommendation, Republican Commissioners Sean Cooksey and James “Trey” Trainor effectively killed any further inquiry into Trump’s actions, despite the fact that the agency’s professional staff believed the available evidence was at least sufficient to conduct a formal investigation"

 
I wouldn't consider 2 partisan hacks stonewalling efforts a ringing endorsement for absolving someone from wrongdoing... but you do you lol.  

posted by kizer permanente

"But the six-person bipartisan agency, which requires four affirmative votes to take most official actions, including launching an investigation, deadlocked on the recommendation, as it frequently does. By voting against the recommendation, Republican Commissioners Sean Cooksey and James “Trey” Trainor effectively killed any further inquiry into Trump’s actions, despite the fact that the agency’s professional staff believed the available evidence was at least sufficient to conduct a formal investigation"

 
I wouldn't consider 2 partisan hacks stonewalling efforts a ringing endorsement for absolving someone from wrongdoing... but you do you lol.  

Did the site you're quoting also show how the vote for Hillary Clinton went? I wonder if the same people voted in both instances.

Wanna know why Biden doesn't demand that Hunter Biden spends 5 years in prison and have the law take everything he owns?

Because Hunter Biden is white. 

Biden and Thurmond didn't design this bill for whites.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4802783/user-clip-joe-biden-praises-crack-possession-laws

posted by kizer permanente

"But the six-person bipartisan agency, which requires four affirmative votes to take most official actions, including launching an investigation, deadlocked on the recommendation, as it frequently does. By voting against the recommendation, Republican Commissioners Sean Cooksey and James “Trey” Trainor effectively killed any further inquiry into Trump’s actions, despite the fact that the agency’s professional staff believed the available evidence was at least sufficient to conduct a formal investigation"

 
I wouldn't consider 2 partisan hacks stonewalling efforts a ringing endorsement for absolving someone from wrongdoing... but you do you lol.  

You really should learn how to use google before making an ass of yourself mocking someone.  You got gaslit by someone ignoring the 4-1 vote.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/552271-fec-drops-investigation-into-trump-hush-money-payments/

"The FEC voted 4-1 to close the inquiry after failing to find that Trump or his campaign “knowingly and willfully” violated campaign finance law when his former attorney Michael Cohen paid $130,000 to porn star Stormy Daniels to keep her from disclosing an alleged affair."

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However, the FEC said that it failed by a 2-2 vote to prove any of the parties violated campaign finance law.

Republican Commissioners James “Trey” Trainor and Sean Cooksey voted to dismiss the matter. Republican Vice Chairman Allen Dickerson recused himself, while independent Commissioner Steven Walther did not vote."

So it was a 2-2 vote along partisan lines to dismiss the matter, with the independent abstaining.  WHICH MEANS the independent joined the 3 Republicans voting NOT to fine or charge Trump in the first instance (and I believe it requires 4 votes TO CHARGE, and this was 4 votes to close the matter).

Here's another link referencing the same:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/may/08/trump-says-the-fec-saw-no-merit-in-the-stormy-dani/

"However, in February 2021, the FEC deadlocked on a 2-2 vote on whether Trump willfully violated federal law. The commission often deadlocks along partisan lines when it considers controversial cases. (In this case, the FEC was down from six commissioners to four. One commissioner, an independent, was absent; and one commissioner, a Republican, opted to recuse.)"

That same commission, by the way, voted to charge Cohen.  So maybe the Republicans weren't the "partisan hacks" [as if the Dems aren't] you claim.

posted by CenterBHSFan

Did the site you're quoting also show how the vote for Hillary Clinton went? I wonder if the same people voted in both instances.

2 votes against, Democrat hacks AMiRiTE?  LMFAO, those "partisan hack" No, wait, Republicans were actually consistent against a consistent fact pattern voting AGAINST the fine.

Of course, there is one key difference in the factset - the actual campaign finance violation was Cohen, and he was CHARGED, not just fined (which, by the way, was specifically mentioned as a reason Repubs voted to dismiss because they felt the offending party had already been charged).

The other key difference is, clearly, the Dems were voting to fine, rather than charge, Clinton.  But they flipped with Trump because they wanted to charge him.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fec-fines-hilary-clinton-campaign-014755915.html

"A source familiar with the situation told Axios that the FEC commissioners voted 4-2 to approve the fine agreement, with all three FEC democrats voting in favor along with Republican "commissioner Sean Cooksey. The board's two other Republicans reportedly voted against the conciliation.

LOL.  More analysis:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-campaign-democratic-party-fined-fec-clears-steele-dossier-author-of-wrongdoing/

"Paul Kamenar, a member of the Coolidge Reagan Foundation's advisory board, called the DNC spokesperson's description "appalling" in a phone call with CBS News.

"It's outrageous that the DNC would minimize the serious violation that took place by calling campaign disclosure laws 'silly' violations," said Kamenar, who added that he believes the FEC should have made a criminal referral to the Justice Department."

Oh, ouch!

posted by sportchampps

Not to mention they waiting for the statute of limitations on what was the biggest issues in the case. They also tried to give him immunity from everything but thank goodness the judge stopped that.

Biden is saying he will not pardon his son but we all know he will once the election is over. So what will liberals say when he goes back on his word. Also pretty funny he was at a anti gun rally after his son was charged with a gun crime

Correct, on all counts.

But this is a just a slap on the wrists to make it look like 'equal justice' and do a little window dressing.  It all deflects from the treasonous criminal activity of selling out America to our foreign adversaries, laundering the proceeds, and evading the taxes into the millions.  But they had to keep the occupier of the WH out of it (for now).   Sickening. 

posted by gut

You really should learn how to use google before making an ass of yourself mocking someone.  You got gaslit by someone ignoring the 4-1 vote.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/552271-fec-drops-investigation-into-trump-hush-money-payments/

"The FEC voted 4-1 to close the inquiry after failing to find that Trump or his campaign “knowingly and willfully” violated campaign finance law when his former attorney Michael Cohen paid $130,000 to porn star Stormy Daniels to keep her from disclosing an alleged affair."

"

However, the FEC said that it failed by a 2-2 vote to prove any of the parties violated campaign finance law.

Republican Commissioners James “Trey” Trainor and Sean Cooksey voted to dismiss the matter. Republican Vice Chairman Allen Dickerson recused himself, while independent Commissioner Steven Walther did not vote."

So it was a 2-2 vote along partisan lines to dismiss the matter, with the independent abstaining.  WHICH MEANS the independent joined the 3 Republicans voting NOT to fine or charge Trump in the first instance (and I believe it requires 4 votes TO CHARGE, and this was 4 votes to close the matter).

Here's another link referencing the same:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/may/08/trump-says-the-fec-saw-no-merit-in-the-stormy-dani/

"However, in February 2021, the FEC deadlocked on a 2-2 vote on whether Trump willfully violated federal law. The commission often deadlocks along partisan lines when it considers controversial cases. (In this case, the FEC was down from six commissioners to four. One commissioner, an independent, was absent; and one commissioner, a Republican, opted to recuse.)"

That same commission, by the way, voted to charge Cohen.  So maybe the Republicans weren't the "partisan hacks" [as if the Dems aren't] you claim.

How does anything you just rambled on about contradict anything I said?  It doesn’t lol.

They failed 2-2 to b/c a third Republican recused himself (doesn’t say why) and an “independent” chairman voted with Republicans. 3 Republicans, 2 democrats and 1 independent needed 4 votes.  2 Republicans who voted no didn’t want to hear anything about anybody “ The two Republican commissioners also sought to dismiss all of the allegations against everyone named in the complaints, but that motion failed to gain four votes too. “ 

And you think that’s not political hacks?  Got it  

In a statement explaining their votes against moving forward with an investigation, Cooksey and Trainor avoided addressing the merits of the allegations against Trump. Instead, they couched their votes as “an exercise of prosecutorial discretion” because they had “concluded that pursuing these matters further was not the best use of agency resources” given the FEC’s enforcement backlog at the time” 

Also definitely not political hacks. AmIrItE?

Teflon Don just keeps tickin 

posted by Trueblue23

Teflon Don just keeps tickin 

Both of these two bozos spend their time appealing to 3rd grade emotional feelings of the masses.  Some of that’s always been in politics, but it seems to have moved to a new level.  We’re now in the same realm as two kids arguing about which superhero is the best.  

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Both of these two bozos spend their time appealing to 3rd grade emotional feelings of the masses.  Some of that’s always been in politics, but it seems to have moved to a new level.  We’re now in the same realm as two kids arguing about which superhero is the best.  

None of this would happen with President Ron Paul 

posted by Trueblue23

None of this would happen with President Ron Paul 

Unfortunately, the Duopoly has made sure that people like Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders and now RFK Jr never gets to share the stage and put forth their policy ideas.

Biden was horrific in the debate.  A retarded monkey would have looked good in comparison.  What a joke.

I didn’t watch but I haven’t heard anything good. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Biden was horrific in the debate.  A retarded monkey would have looked good in comparison.  What a joke.

Worst thing that could actually happen for Trump supporters. Dem's will likely see that Biden can barely fog a mirror and will likely try to replace him. I think they know Trump, as the numbers are showing, would crush him in the upcoming elections. 

Because of the Midwest factor, I've heard they will either try to pair the governors of Michigan and Pennsylvania or try to coax Michelle Obama into running. Have not heard Newsome's name in this discussion.

posted by BR1986FB

Worst thing that could actually happen for Trump supporters.

I disagree.  I think this sealed it for Trump regardless of who may replace Biden,

Yeah, the problem for the Dems is no matter who they choose, they've lost black support (which will only be compounded by kicking Kamala to the curb).

Anyway, looks like yet another "right wing conspiracy" is coming true...

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

I disagree.  I think this sealed it for Trump regardless of who may replace Biden,

You think Michelle Obama, regardless of how horrible a POTUS her husband was, wouldn't stir up all of the liberal emotions and beat him?

posted by BR1986FB

You think Michelle Obama, regardless of how horrible a POTUS her husband was, wouldn't stir up all of the liberal emotions and beat him?

I'll be shocked if she runs.  I think the Obama's got their payday and just want to live out their lives as rich celebrities.

Somehow DC has kept running the last 7+ years despite these two.  I'm betting it will be just fine another 5 years.  This manufactured "election crisis" is just a distraction - there's no real concern because the POTUS doesn't actually run anything.