posted by gut

I don't understand the difference between an initiated statute and initiated amendment.  Seems either could be over turned by a subsequent ballot that would only need 50% to pass.

per this article:

In Ohio, citizens have two options for proposing changes through a ballot initiative. They can offer a statute or a constitutional amendment. Generally speaking, organizers prefer amendments, because Ohio law offers no protection for a newly passed statute. Lawmakers can immediately repeal or modify whatever changes voters approve.

I’m seeing an updated map with it passing

NM…read it wrong lol

My county was a yes but we were like 76% Trump

posted by MontyBrunswick

per this article:.

I'll be damned.  I asked a question I couldn't find quickly with google, and someone answered it perfectly and with no snark.

posted by gut

I'll be damned.  I asked a question I couldn't find quickly with google, and someone answered it perfectly and with no snark.

This whole thread was probably the most civil political one in the history of the place, for once no one really got shitty and talked through both sides like normal people. 

Looks like my county voted 60.02% yes…..way down from the Trump numbers but this was a bit different.

posted by Ironman92

Looks like my county voted 60.02% yes…..way down from the Trump numbers but this was a bit different.

Everyone skewed a little more that way it seems - basically all moderates went to the no side. A handful of NE Ohio counties that went Trump in 2020 voted this down to the tune of 55-60% (Portage, Mahoning, Trumbull) - even where I’m at in reliably blue Summit County voted 54% Biden in 2020 but 66% no on this.

posted by ts1227

Everyone skewed a little more that way it seems - basically all moderates went to the no side. A handful of NE Ohio counties that went Trump in 2020 voted this down to the tune of 55-60% (Portage, Mahoning, Trumbull) - even where I’m at in reliably blue Summit County voted 54% Biden in 2020 but 66% no on this.

That's what I was seeing. A lot of usually red counties going against this and definitely red counties passing it by far less of a margin than they would vote a red candidate over a blue one.

posted by jmog

It was after the last Bush. Bill Clinton and the 2 Bush's were ideologically different, but not THAT different. 

At the start of his first campaign Obama/Biden weren't that different than Rs as well. But over that 8 years and the 6/7 years since good Lord its like "lets see which side can further away from center next". 

Currently the Ds are winning that "battle" but the Rs, many of them anyway, are not that far behind.

Look at Robert F Kennedy, Ramaswamy, Tulsi Gabbard, etc. All 3 rather centrist, yet all 3 have (had in 2020 in Tulsi's case) no shot in the primaries because of the whackadoos voting in the primaries.

If I had to rank right now in order of who I would vote for (current candidates) in the general they would go...

1. Ramaswamy

2. Haley/Scott/Kennedy (2 Rs, 1 D all fairly close for me on how 'normal' they are).

3. DeSantis

Then WAY down the road here...

4. Trump (would take ANY R over him, but I am ignoring the other almost 10 candidates as they have no shot)

Then WAY down the road more.....

5. Biden (mainly because the man should be in a nursing home not  the WH).

SImilar thoughts here. I would vote put Tim Scott at 2, Kennedy at 3, then a mile before Nikki Haley, another mile to Doug Burgum,10 miles to Trump, 50 miles to Cornel West, 100 miles to Desantis and Williamson, then the rest on another planet.

Am I the only one who will be writing in Spike Cohen?

hahaha

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ohio-gop-sounds-alarm-as-progressives-submit-state-constitutional-amendment-stripping-police-protections/ar-AA1f9sHJ?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=0554d4f75e524bcfc2d002a20cd3ff8b&ei=18Ohio GOP sounds alarm as progressives submit state constitutional amendment stripping police protections

California here we go