posted by Ironman92
To be fair, 127 amendments in just over 100 years is asinine. It should be 60%, and saying "well black people couldn't be in the Ohio National Guard" or "no women or blacks could vote" is also asinine as even if they wouldn't have passed in 1920s they would obviously pass by now.
There is no good reason for 127 amendments, it should be 60%, but not the way they did it this time to get there.
Over $15 million dollars pumped into Ohio from outside sources on this vote.
posted by FletchOver $15 million dollars pumped into Ohio from outside sources on this vote.
Well, as others have pointed out, every way they went about this was wrong.
I'm actually kind of shocked this was brought by the Republican legislature. Only thing I can figure is they are worried about an amendment passing that will tie their hands to modify/tweak the law (which probably wouldn't be the case with a regular old ballot initiative).
I guess pro-actively heading off a potential amendment that would have no restrictions on abortion. Which is probably a good reason for a 60% threshold, especially since most people voting on that will have no clue what they are actually voting for.
posted by iclfan2Don’t have to worry about me, but based on who is advocating for voting against it, I’d vote yes (from a brief google and Twitter search).
Almost every organization (left-wing groups) pushing the No vote ironically have constitutions and by-laws that require at least a 60% majority to change them, some at 75%. The hypocrisy is comical. To change such a structural foundation as our constitution should require a substantial majority, otherwise we will continue to be vulnerable to the one issue vote buyers, such as the gambling group that has been hard-coded into our constitution --- highly ridiculous. We elect representatives to make policy at the legislative level, where it should remain. If you don't like the policy, change reps who will change the law etc...etc.... don't hard-code every whimsical issue directly into the constitution to never be changed again.
posted by jmogThere is no good reason for 127 amendments, it should be 60%, but not the way they did it this time to get there.
Vote for better politicians. I mean, WTF two amendments proposed PER YEAR? Elect different people and hold them accountable to do their jobs.
Also, we are seeing how the current set-up can be easily influenced and corrupted by people outside the state. That is certainly something that wouldn't have happened even 30 years ago, and should be concerning to everyone.
posted by jmogTo be fair, 127 amendments in just over 100 years is asinine. It should be 60%, and saying "well black people couldn't be in the Ohio National Guard" or "no women or blacks could vote" is also asinine as even if they wouldn't have passed in 1920s they would obviously pass by now.
There is no good reason for 127 amendments, it should be 60%, but not the way they did it this time to get there.
I just posted it….the 4 of the examples are silly or don’t matter to me at all
posted by gutVote for better politicians. I mean, WTF two amendments proposed PER YEAR? Elect different people and hold them accountable to do their jobs.
Also, we are seeing how the current set-up can be easily influenced and corrupted by people outside the state. That is certainly something that wouldn't have happened even 30 years ago, and should be concerning to everyone.
To be fair only 77 were put through, and 19 passed, by citizen initiative. The balance to get to the 227/127 numbers were our fuckhead legislators, so they’re definitely more the problem as you point out
This is the most frustrating part I think. Both campaigns are using the “stop special interests” line of bullshit, as both sides were also about 85% funded from out of state. They all suck assposted by Fletch
Over $15 million dollars pumped into Ohio from outside sources on this vote.
posted by ts1227
This is the most frustrating part I think. Both campaigns are using the “stop special interests” line of bullshit, as both sides were also about 85% funded from out of state. They all suck ass
And that's the other shady piece of the puzzle. They hold this on a special election when turnout is already low, and then they dump money - mostly from outsiders - to try to push it over the margin.
TBH, state government seem even more useless than the Feds. Maybe because the Feds have already taken so much power from the states. But it's mainly the Feds and local govt that annoy me, while I struggle to see how my state govt impacts me (beyond taxes).
Assuming if this passes it will be harder for recreational marijuana to go through.
Therefore, I’m officially going with meaningless NO.
I voted yes. Merely because I don’t want to see a ping pong game every few years in Columbus. Politicians will be better people if they have to reach across the isle
posted by FletchI voted yes. Merely because I don’t want to see a ping pong game every few years in Columbus.
Yeah, the outcome of this vote will surely stop that behavior.
Unsurprisingly, it’s getting smoked in early vote counts by about a 70/30 margin. Saying they’ve counted a half million votes, which is damn impressive turnout.
We shall see how much it comes back as the day of counts start in.
posted by ts1227We shall see how much it comes back as the day of counts start in.
dispatch called it as a "no" but dispatch is trash so they could very well be wrong.
posted by MontyBrunswickdispatch called it as a "no" but dispatch is trash so they could very well be wrong.
The gap has barely budged so far with another 300k votes counted (68/32), it would take a miracle to flip it.
posted by ts1227The gap has barely budged so far with another 300k votes counted (68/32), it would take a miracle to flip it.
indeed. i think some of the big boy counties haven't reported *any* election day ballots yet. i suspect it'll get ugly once those start coming in.
posted by MontyBrunswickindeed. i think some of the big boy counties haven't reported *any* election day ballots yet. i suspect it'll get ugly once those start coming in.
Summit County (Akron) hasn’t posted an Election Day vote yet.
It seems the basis on calling it was deep red counties coming in with most of their votes way more “purple” than usual. Plus, some of those counties are almost done counting since they’re so small.
wapo and the NY post also just called it
It’s over…we are republican crazy down here at it passed easily
posted by AutomatikAssuming if this passes it will be harder for recreational marijuana to go through.
"It would not affect a recreational marijuana proposal that is being pursued for the November ballot because that plan seeks to change state law, not the state constitution."
I don't understand the difference between an initiated statute and initiated amendment. Seems either could be over turned by a subsequent ballot that would only need 50% to pass.
