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Sun, Aug 6, 2023 6:17 PM
How are you planning to vote? I’m a firm “no” on this one and it’s not even close.
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Don’t have to worry about me, but based on who is advocating for voting against it, I’d vote yes (from a brief google and Twitter search).
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Sun, Aug 6, 2023 6:37 PM
Already voted. And none of your business.
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I voted for Cletus.
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Sun, Aug 6, 2023 7:00 PM
Surprised a simple majority is all that's been required since 1912. IMO, a simple majority can be fickle and/or under-informed.
I honestly don't understand why that's such a difficult concept for some people. People think the opposing party is just there to obstruct, but are we really to believe you can't get 5-10% from the other side if it's actually a good idea?
And I do realize, in today's climate, that the party can put tremendous pressure on those 5-10% to fall in line. But we shouldn't lower the standard just because the parties can't [or won't] work together.
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Sun, Aug 6, 2023 8:27 PM
I voted.
And it was No.
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Sun, Aug 6, 2023 9:12 PM
To be fair, shouldn't this issue require 60% to pass?
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Sun, Aug 6, 2023 11:55 PM
That’s a no for me dawg.
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posted by gutSurprised a simple majority is all that's been required since 1912. IMO, a simple majority can be fickle and/or under-informed.
I honestly don't understand why that's such a difficult concept for some people. People think the opposing party is just there to obstruct, but are we really to believe you can't get 5-10% from the other side if it's actually a good idea?
And I do realize, in today's climate, that the party can put tremendous pressure on those 5-10% to fall in line. But we shouldn't lower the standard just because the parties can't [or won't] work together.
Yeah.. I don't need a fringe minority group dictating everyone else's life. Minority rules isn't how I wanna live. They were fine with how things were until their electors snuck in abortion bills... now they want it changed so everyone has to live with their beliefs... they can fuck right off lol.
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I like parts of it (requiring signatures from every county, not allowing new signatures after submitting the petition), but i also believe it will make it harder for citizen initiatives to go through and i hate the idea of 40% of dipshit state reps having the ability to kill anything that their crazy minds want. Overall, i think i'm a no here, even though i'm not eligible to vote in ohio.
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Mon, Aug 7, 2023 9:16 AM
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogiesameI’m a firm “no” on this one and it’s not even close.
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Mon, Aug 7, 2023 10:00 AM
posted by j_crazyand i hate the idea of 40% of dipshit state reps having the ability to kill anything that their crazy minds want.
That goes both ways, though. Again, simple majority rules/laws are rarely good legislation.
Most of the ideas that lack bipartisan support simply aren't good ideas, or poorly executed. For all the talk about lack of cooperation and obstruction, a lot of work is still getting done. It's just that no one has put forth good solutions for the major issues of the day, which is probably why they've become/continue to be major issues.
It's too difficult for businesses, even individuals in some cases, to plan when the governance of major aspects of our life are subject to the changing whims of a simple majority. This is ESPECIALLY true as you go further up the ladder of centralized government. Simple majority should never be the case at state/federal levels.
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Mon, Aug 7, 2023 10:43 AM
posted by gutThat goes both ways, though. Again, simple majority rules/laws are rarely good legislation.
I agree with this 1000%. However, at this point I'm far more concerned with the elephants in the room that this election is really all about, 1) abortion, and 2) the paranoia that Tranny Bonaduce is recruiting your babies. It's a No from me for that reason.
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Be careful what you wish for. The pendulum of simple majority rule swings pretty fast sometimes in the opposite direction.
It takes no political considerations when you dont have to pull the opposite isle into your camp to pass legislation.
If you want simple majority rule, dont bitch when you arent on the correct side of things later.
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Mon, Aug 7, 2023 12:03 PM
posted by FletchBe careful what you wish for. The pendulum of simple majority rule swings pretty fast sometimes in the opposite direction.
It takes no political considerations when you dont have to pull the opposite isle into your camp to pass legislation.
If you want simple majority rule, dont bitch when you arent on the correct side of things later.
Exactly. This is how all government clusterfucks begin, with lowering vote thresholds to jam through one's desired outcome because their position is so weak....as opposed to actually gaining support through debate and merit.
There's a reason everything doesn't go to the voters for a simple up-or-down majority vote. People can't even elect responsible & reasoned candidates in many cases.
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Mon, Aug 7, 2023 12:04 PM
posted by FletchBe careful what you wish for. The pendulum of simple majority rule swings pretty fast sometimes in the opposite direction.
It takes no political considerations when you dont have to pull the opposite isle into your camp to pass legislation.
If you want simple majority rule, dont bitch when you arent on the correct side of things later.
We know what we're wishing for. The Republican party to abandon the religious right and go back to a fiscal party.
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Mon, Aug 7, 2023 12:04 PM
posted by j_crazyand i hate the idea of 40% of dipshit state reps having the ability to kill anything that their crazy minds want. Overall, i think i'm a no here, even though i'm not eligible to vote in ohio.
That’s the big one. Over the past couple decades the General Assembly has just become a bunch of grandstanding morons that are there to fire off some zingers for the reporters to put on Twitter and have no desire to do anything useful. Regardless of the party involved, because that changes over time, it’s a bad idea.
Now, with the current parties involved, this is literally the Ohio GOP going “let’s see how far we can push the blind allegiance of our dumbest voters since nothing has come along to make them stop us yet”, which is also not good (again regardless of party, it just so happens to be Republicans right now).
Plus, in the 100+ years of the current law only 19 of 77 issues that made the ballot passed anyway, so it’s a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
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Mon, Aug 7, 2023 12:11 PM
I like parts of it but hate the all 88 counties rule. Not sure what I will do tom
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Mon, Aug 7, 2023 12:41 PM
posted by sportchamppsI like parts of it but hate the all 88 counties rule. Not sure what I will do tom
Generally, I think citizen initiatives should be relatively "easy" to get on the ballot, but should require at least 60% of votes to pass.
All 88 counties is a bad rule. You potentially turn several small counties into battlegrounds to block issues from even getting on the ballot.
Also, abortion isn't such a cut-n-dry issue, which is part of how we got to where we are (with Dems, at least on the federal level, wasting several opportunities to codify it into law). But what would such a ballot initiative look like - no restrictions, 22 weeks, 6 weeks? Some of this is just too complex to put in front of voters, many of whom - at best - are voting based on a 30 second sound bite they saw on tv.
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Mon, Aug 7, 2023 12:51 PM
Also, just saw that this only applies to state constitutional amendments, not laws which still have only a 50% threshold on ballot initiatives.
So, again, nuance.