LOCKED: George Floyd

posted by justincredible

Big if true.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Jacob%20Pederson%22&src=trend_click

Proven that alot of people come into situations to get it started.  Lots of paid activists out there. 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/ohio/watch-protest-over-the-death-of-george-floyd-erupts-in-downtown-columbus/95-d6e9d45a-fa58-4bdd-8972-9529e98c5809

Protesting in Columbus tonight. There's a long ass video, if you fast forward to around 1 hour 13 minutes some girls just start berating cops standing there monitoring everything. Being a cop - even a good one - would suck. 

posted by justincredible

Big if true.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Jacob%20Pederson%22&src=trend_click

From the looks, it's plausible.  Hopefully facial rec software can provide a more positive ID, because his ex- identifying him from that pic is a little, ehhhh, suspect.

And if that really is him, that is majorly f'd up.

I’ve defended cops in a lot of these situations. But not all. And this is maybe the worst one yet.

The man was handcuffed already and had no weapon (had been searched). How was he a threat at all to end on the ground like that, with a knee to his neck? 

People have to be honest with themselves if anything is going to change, the man wouldn’t be dead if he were white. 

Dont quite understand why other cities feel the  need to protest, especially if it turns into a riot.

posted by Spock

Dont quite understand why other cities feel the  need to protest, especially if it turns into a riot.

Because they feel threatened, not protected, by the police? Seems pretty straightforward. 

posted by Laley23

Because they feel threatened, not protected, by the police? Seems pretty straightforward. 

And also they’re mad. When you’re mad about an injustice, you protest. Who cares if you’re not in the area of where the injustice happened? 
CC is legit the dumbest human being alive. 

posted by Fab4Runner

They don't just slip through cracks. How many of these officers have disciplinary records? How many are for excessive use of force? How many have been accused of domestic violence? Why is it so hard to fire a shitty police officer? Many fired officers are hired back, sometimes because of an administrative error during the investigation. There are major problems with a lot of LEAs.

posted by Fab4Runner

I understand that. My point was that bad police officers don't just slip through the cracks. The fact that it's difficult to fire a police officer is more troubling to me than the fact that it's difficult to fire a steel worker, no disrespect to them. 

Uhh...what? It's literally impossible to guarantee you aren't going to potentially hire a bad officer, just as its impossible to guarantee you won't hire a teacher that diddles kids. You can take your best precautions, but its absolutely possible for someone to fall through the cracks.

A new hire would go through a basic background check and come up clean and have no record of anything on his personnel file. He could also just as easily turn out to be a shithead and kill an innocent person. He would answer no/NA to your questions listed above, and thus, slip through the cracks.

As to the police departments protecting shithead officers? Yeah, that happens. No, it isn't right. But I don't think it's a "major" problem at "a lot" of LEA's.

Also, not that it matters, but not all police departments are protected by unions. They aren't as common the further west you go.

https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1266209443798228992
 

BREAKING: 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis was breached, police evacuated and now the protesters have control of the entire precinct, some are lighting it on fire.

3rd precinct is now extra crispy:

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1266210344462139393

Seems like a bold strategy. 

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1266214798326464513

https://twitter.com/SophNar0747/status/1266213127189905410

St Paul PD denies the guy setting fire to businesses was their guy.

https://twitter.com/sppdmn/status/1266202225677910022

posted by justincredible

St Paul PD denies the guy setting fire to businesses was their guy.

https://twitter.com/sppdmn/status/1266202225677910022

Aaaaaaaand no one believes them

Downtown Columbus is getting trashed right now

Trump takes to Twitter to call rioters "THUGS" and that military intervention isnt far off. That'll help. 

Like Laley, I normally lean toward the cops' side for shit like this and as monty mentioned, most of the time this shit is blown out of proportion on social media.    I normally lean on the cops' side, because it's a very tough and dangerous job.  I also have family and friends (and their family members) in the field who I would never consider capable of doing something similar as this man.  This situation obviously is not defendable. 

I know some on here are swaying themselves to lean toward "there are more bad apples than good," but I still believe INDIVIDUALLY there are far more good apples vs the bad apples.  It's more of a systematic issue than anything imo.  I am always surprised when people are disgusted and surprised when shit like this happens.  I am by no means an anarchist, but this is why I always preach for smaller Government.  People forget the Government should be terrified by its citizens and not the other way around.  It's literally the foundation of our country and why our founding fathers put together the constitution.  Every police department in the US is an extension of our Government, which is why I shake my head when people think the solution to every issue is more Government as long as their "team" is in place making those laws.  Who do you think enforces these laws?  Hint:  It's not the dipshits in suits voting on 10K page bills that they skimmed for an hour in our capitol or state capitols.  Our Government at the local/state/federal level has incrementally given law enforcement the ability to issue force for decades. I don't support looting and destroying small businesses, but maybe this will wake some people up.  Unfortunately, I don't think the majority of people will learn anything from this. 

posted by MontyBrunswick

I mean, yeah I agree...but I don't know how you prevent them 100%. They're going to slip through the cracks.

 

 

Part of it is the cops modifying the "blue line" attitude to include actively working on helping to get rid of bad cops instead of covering for them or just standing by. How you get there is the tough part of course.

posted by jmog

Not a true statement at all. If the whole thing was bad we would literally see 1000s of these cases every year.

I'm quite sure we probably do, the ones that result in death make the news.