LOCKED: George Floyd

posted by jmog

And no civilian gun that you can buy is automatic. No gun shoots 20 rounds with one pull of the trigger. All civilian guns (well, basically all but that is a whole story) are semi-auto. 1 pull equals 1 bullet. 

I don't know if you've seen it, but they've tasked some firearms experts with speedy trigger fingers to see how close you could get to firing just as fast as a fully-automatic with a semi-auto.  With some practice (more than a little bit, but you don't have to be the "fastest guns in the west, either), you can make the difference mostly negligible.

And frankly, the fact that we have to qualify that statement with "civilian guns" means that there's already regulation and infringement, but I get put into a "gun nut" category when I bring that up.

posted by O-Trap

LOL Noted.  I use the multi-quote feature mostly for expedience, since I'm not on all the time.  Helps me catch up.

I know you're not anti-gun.  I assure you I'm not accusing you of being anti-gun.

Suppose those robbers (burglars sounds wrong, since it involved a planned confrontation?) had killed your roommates after they got the stuff, so they couldn't be identified.  I can appreciate a good response time from the cops, but I daresay that, with the thieves already in the place, their response time probably isn't THAT good.

And what about when you're out of your place?  I can understand the security of a place like yours being robust enough for peace of mind, but I'd wager you're not an agoraphobic hermit.  I'm sure you go out.  Work, dinners, bars, coffee shops, etc. are probably more vulnerable than your home, not to speak of the transit to and from such places.

I'm not saying you should feel any true obligation to have one, but the confidence with which you said you'd (probably) never need one caught my attention.

I brought up the extension of need of people who have guns to mostly just illustrate that if you think you might ever need a person with a gun, it'd likely be faster to be that person with a gun.  As such, if time is ever an element, you might indeed find yourself in a position of needing a gun, whether or not you have one.

But the beauty of liberty is not just the freedom to exercise a right, but the freedom to refrain from exercising a right, so I assure you I'm not here to push you into changing your mind about whether or not to own one.  Do your thing.

 

My comment on the response time of the cops wasn’t to prove a point or anything, i don’t even know why I put it in there. Moreso just to say that we actually did get robbed in the middle of the night, no one had guns, but no one was hurt. And we had renters insurance so everything that was stolen was paid back to us (+ a few electronics that we probably didn’t have stolen..lol). 
Obviousky that could have gone way different (could have been murdered) but I’d argue that If one of my roommates puller out a gun It would have made the situation worse. Thankfully we’ll never have to know if that statement is true or not, but overall we learned a valuable lesson (don’t get too drunk and forget to close the windows when you live on the ground floor) and no one was hurt. 
 

and going out of my apartment, I don’t worry about needing protection lol. If something happens, something happens. I’m a) not going to worry about it and b) certainly not going to carry a gun everywhere I go in case something does. 
 

I realize that not everyone feels the same way as me. I’m not saying my process is how others should go about their lives. But honestly there’s a 0% chance I’d ever carry a gun on me going around my own city or anywhere else. 

posted by jmog

If you believe the original language of the 2A allows for someone to “regulate” with “years checkups” on our guns then I don’t think you have read it and/or the commentary around it’s wording by the founding fathers that wrote it. 
 

The “shall not be infringed” part comes to mind. 

I clarified later, I don’t mean by the government. The government works for us, we should be controlling what they do, so I am absolutely against them regulating it with agendas etc. I do however think something needs to be done in some fashion, which is why I think having to be a member of the state/county/however you want to segregate it militia would be a good step. From there, appoint a member to “regulate”. Check up to make sure people are practicing safe standards, don’t have dementia, etc. 

posted by jmog

No, read again the “well regulated militia” was given as an EXAMPLE” of why we can bear arms. It was not the only reason. It was just one reason given. 

I do not read it that way, and unfortunately the Constitution and BOR has many ambiguous phrases/sentences. So, I certainly see where you do read it that way. I’m more the way O-Trap read it. A well regulated militia being the first portion, leading into the free state being necessary says to me the reason to bear arms is to keep the state free, via a militia. I think it would’ve been written with a well regulated militia later on in the amendment had it been more of an example vs the primary reason.

But again, not gonna quibble there. Certainly understand the opposite way of looking at it.

posted by jmog

And no civilian gun that you can buy is automatic. No gun shoots 20 rounds with one pull of the trigger. All civilian guns (well, basically all but that is a whole story) are semi-auto. 1 pull equals 1 bullet. 

Yeah, I’m aware of that and the strict regulations. This is where I think the government needs to step in regarding the importing and distribution of illegal arms. You can’t catch them all, but more resources and stricter laws would be a solid start. Maybe stop trying to win the war on drugs in year 55 and start cracking down on this? Literally just spitballing, but something more drastic than what has been going on needs to happen to get those off the street.

Also Justin/Like That, forgot your quote your posts: but regarding militia of one. I really don’t think my idea is that great (lol), I just would like to see a way where we can start to regulate stuff and make sure just because you once owned a gun you should still own it. I don’t want the government to be the ones, so my theory is more a club type. I really don’t know if it would even come close to working, though. When you here of kids getting access to parents guns though, I could see where some kind of random check-up from your militia leaders to make sure you’re following safe practices, etc would be a way to curb that. Not gonna catch them all, obviously.

Also sorry for steering the thread this direction. We can get back on track. 

posted by Laley23

Also sorry for steering the thread this direction. We can get back on track. 

Well, well, well.

https://twitter.com/NTerryEllis/status/1267530485691035664

BREAKING: Independent autopsy finds that George Floyd's death "was homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain."

posted by justincredible

Well, well, well.

https://twitter.com/NTerryEllis/status/1267530485691035664

Was this the 90s expert Michael Baden if I remember his name right? From HBO?

posted by justincredible

Well, well, well.

https://twitter.com/NTerryEllis/status/1267530485691035664

Lol so MN has lied about almost everything. This should be cut and dry case now.

posted by iclfan2

Lol so MN has lied about almost everything. This should be cut and dry case now.

They were trying to limit their liability in a lawsuit. Was pretty obvious to see that. Anyone who watched the video knew that was a homicide. 

posted by iclfan2

Lol so MN has lied about almost everything. This should be cut and dry case now.

I don't know if it's quite that clear cut.  This "independent" examination was requested by his family.  Now it was conducted by a former NY medical examiner, but one who also happens to have performed "independent" autopsies on Eric Garner and Michael Brown.

So let's see how the trial goes with cross-examination of both sides medical experts, because I wouldn't say either side had a truly unbiased opinion.  Just saying expert "opinions" are usually chosen with a pretty good idea of where that opinion is going to land.

IMO, there may have been contributing factors.  But as JMOG was saying before that it is a choke move, then the contributing factors could be irrelevant if the move was applied far beyond a lethal period of time.  If it had been only 60 seconds, then you might have a plausible defense that the death was because of other factors.  It doesn't mean MN is lying, just that they've put forth in invalid excuse

posted by gut

I don't know if it's quite that clear cut.  This "independent" examination was requested by his family.  Now it was conducted by a former NY medical examiner, but one who also happens to have performed "independent" autopsies on Eric Garner and Michael Brown.

So let's see how the trial goes with cross-examination of both sides medical experts, because I wouldn't say either side had a truly unbiased opinion.  Just saying expert "opinions" are usually chosen with a pretty good idea of where that opinion is going to land.

IMO, there may have been contributing factors.  But as JMOG was saying before that it is a choke move, then the contributing factors could be irrelevant if the move was applied far beyond a lethal period of time.  If it had been only 60 seconds, then you might have a plausible defense that the death was because of other factors.  It doesn't mean MN is lying, just that they've put forth in invalid excuse

No. 

https://twitter.com/nicsmonique/status/1267387845469245440?s=21

This was a year ago, Minneapolis police arresting an FBI agent because he “looked” like a suspect in another case. Their faces when they realized he was an agent, LOL

posted by SportsAndLady

https://twitter.com/nicsmonique/status/1267387845469245440?s=21

 

This was a year ago, Minneapolis police arresting an FBI agent because he “looked” like a suspect in another case. Their faces when they realized he was an agent, LOL

"No, you guys have a nice night. Get the fuck outta here."

LOL

posted by justincredible

This is a terrifying bunch if I've ever seen one.

Well now I’m fuckin’ scared.

A Louisville BBQ restaurant owner was shot and killed by police during protests over the weekend. His body lay in the street for 12 hours. Mysteriously, every bod cam on the police officers were turned off. The chief of police was fired due to the incident. 

posted by SportsAndLady

A Louisville BBQ restaurant owner was shot and killed by police during protests over the weekend. His body lay in the street for 12 hours. Mysteriously, every bod cam on the police officers were turned off. The chief of police was fired due to the incident. 

Glad to see him get fired. Probably should've happened after Breonna Taylor was murdered by Louisville police not that long ago. Apparently the three officers involved in that incident are still employed, which is ridiculous.

posted by justincredible

Glad to see him get fired. Probably should've happened after Breonna Taylor was murdered by Louisville police not that long ago. Apparently the three officers involved in that incident are still employed, which is ridiculous.

I can see why the chief was fired for cameras being off; but also why the cops are still employed (for now) without evidence. The two are related, but also separate. 

I here they are protesting in my town of 30,000.  

posted by Spock

I here they are protesting in my town of 30,000.  

Who’d you here it from? What were they hereing? 

posted by friendfromlowry

Who’d you here it from? What were they hereing? 

I was there, lucky to sea it with my own too eyes.