Covid-19 discussion, continued...

Hospitalizations in Texas

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/06/10/for-3rd-straight-day-texas-sets-record-for-coronavirus-hospitalizations/#64ad4e263c12

posted by justincredible

Spikes in deaths, or positive cases, or hospitalizations?

I did see where Ohio had a spike in cases yesterday. First time since Saturday that there were over 400 new cases.

posted by Automatik

Hospitalizations in Texas

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/06/10/for-3rd-straight-day-texas-sets-record-for-coronavirus-hospitalizations/#64ad4e263c12

i still say wait until we see an uptick in deaths.  Or at least lets see what they average stay is - are people being admitted for a few days for observation as a precaution, and then sent home?

Now I'm not saying this is likely, but it's a possibility with less demand for beds in the non-flu season while many hospitals took it on the chin suspending elective surgeries....it's possible less serious cases who would have been turned away in March/April are now being admitted.

posted by BR1986FB

I did see where Ohio had a spike in cases yesterday. First time since Saturday that there were over 400 new cases.

Entire country spiked - highest total in over 5 days.   Sooooooo blame the protests, or blame Memorial Day weekend over two weeks ago?

posted by SportsAndLady

So coronavirus is back now eh?

My wife is also in healthcare and said the COVID unit (large hospital in Dayton) was increasingly more busy the last couple of days. 

Hopefully the sick ones are being talked with to find out what they’ve been doing, with who and when and where to see if we can’t narrow down if something is more dangerous. 

posted by friendfromlowry

My wife is also in healthcare and said the COVID unit (large hospital in Dayton) was increasingly more busy the last couple of days. 

Obviously there's been an increase in cases in some places, I think beyond what can be attributable to just increased testing.

Flip side of the coin is it may be better to build some herd immunity instead of trying to delay a second wave until we're in the middle of flu season.  Unless, of course, we actually get a vaccine before then.

Also, is a doubling of cases (just making up an example) in places that had 1/20th what NYC and other big cities had really a "spike"?  And why isn't Europe seeing spikes?  I remember there was talk of that when Europe started re-opening, but seems the "surge" fizzled out pretty quickly over there.

posted by gut

Entire country spiked - highest total in over 5 days.   Sooooooo blame the protests, or blame Memorial Day weekend over two weeks ago?

I think it may be Memorial Day. Looks likje the spikes are areas that have not seen it really yet, except for CA. For the protests, in the large urban areas, the lag may appear in the coming days. I know DC, MD, and VA said they have not seen a spike yet, but are wary one is coming. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

 Looks likje the spikes are areas that have not seen it really yet, except for CA.

That will be interesting to see if the bigger cities already hit hard have a degree of herd immunity.  Protests should help clarify that, but also a large number of protestors WERE wearing masks so we have a pretty good test of how effective masks are in reducing spread.

A lot of those protesters were young.  Likely not going to show symptoms ...and if they do, how likely are they to go to a hospital?

posted by justincredible

Spikes in deaths, or positive cases, or hospitalizations?

Or news coverage!?

A lady I work (summer warehouse job) with apparently went in for a routine surgery, got tested, had it.  Zero symptoms, and still has none.  I think you could see this trend as well.

posted by Spock

A lot of those protesters were young.  Likely not going to show symptoms ...and if they do, how likely are they to go to a hospital?

Good point.  And I guess we can't assume they'd spread it to other people since the latest WHO data says that's unlikely.

In either scenario, it's a good case study for re-opening everything.  If it truly is only spread primarily by symptomatic people, the vulnerable can self-isolate until a vaccine becomes available.

posted by ernest_t_bass

Or news coverage!?

Lol yes, media’s fault that idiots went out without masks like there wasn’t still a virus going around. 

posted by BR1986FB

I did see where Ohio had a spike in cases yesterday. First time since Saturday that there were over 400 new cases.

My wife has been pulling the data from the state every day. Total cases may be up, but positive tests include positive anti-body tests as well as "probably" cases. And they're testing more, so the rate of positives haven't necessarily gone up.

Amy Acton just stepped down from her position.

posted by justincredible

Amy Acton just stepped down from her position.

Probably sick of everyone’s shit 

posted by justincredible

Amy Acton just stepped down from her position.

Dewine did her wrong.  I am against the type of heavy-handed lockdown/rules Ohio enacted during this time.  However Acton was advising as she saw fit from a public health perspective.  He job had nothing to do with considering economic or other impacts.  She was supposed to advise on the best steps for  public health.  Dewine paraded her out there each day and basically made her the scapegoat for what were really his decisions.  He offered an obligatory "the buck stops with me", like when protesters went to her home.  But that was BS.  He made her the "bad guy" for this from the beginning.  He should never have brought her to the forefront like that.  

After running the numbers released today by Ohio, the infection rate yesterday was 7.9% of those tested. As of today it's 7.8%. So, total cases are up but the percentage of positive tests is down.

posted by gut

Good point.  And I guess we can't assume they'd spread it to other people since the latest WHO data says that's unlikely.

In either scenario, it's a good case study for re-opening everything.  If it truly is only spread primarily by symptomatic people, the vulnerable can self-isolate until a vaccine becomes available.

Surprise, surprise, the WHO was talking out of their ass about that too. Seems like the WHO is even more dysfunctional than our government.