posted by SpockSo i spent a few minutes looking around online at local newsites and national media.....almost nothing on corona.
We are now officially being held hostage by the state and local governments. Not only is the curve flat......its gone.
How many articles need to be written about it? It's been like 7 months of constant coverage. Don't worry bud, this thing isnt close to being over.
CC gonna CC
posted by Heretic
You must really suck at "looking around" if you can't find shit online about the 'rona on news sites. Which is par for the course with you, but still...
Sure there is "news"...thats it. Just BS. Where is the news on raw data? Cases? overflowing hospitals?, vent numbers?
Ohio has less then 100 cases a day for the whole state? I think we are being held hostage with this crap now.
The articles I see today are the ones downplaying the CDC's reallocation of the deaths which show that just 6% of the deaths are from Covid-19 only. The other 94% are deaths that on average include 2.6 co-morbidities. Obviously the MSM does not want that information out there as it hurts their panic promotion efforts.
posted by QuakerOatsThe articles I see today are the ones downplaying the CDC's reallocation of the deaths which show that just 6% of the deaths are from Covid-19 only. The other 94% are deaths that on average include 2.6 co-morbidities. Obviously the MSM does not want that information out there as it hurts their panic promotion efforts.
There is a large spectrum between dying and perfect health. The virus may produce long-term damage.
posted by QuakerOatsThe articles I see today are the ones downplaying the CDC's reallocation of the deaths which show that just 6% of the deaths are from Covid-19 only. The other 94% are deaths that on average include 2.6 co-morbidities. Obviously the MSM does not want that information out there as it hurts their panic promotion efforts.
As well they should, at least for people capable of thinking. For an example, there's a history of Alzheimer's in my family, so I kind of pay attention to that disease. It doesn't usually kill a person itself, but it does erode the immune system so that even a light cold can turn into pneumonia and easily be fatal.
Acting like a disease that isn't regularly the sole reason for an eventual death is somehow less serious and attempts to treat it seriously are "panic promotion" is the sort of thing painfully stupid people who only care about whatever their agenda is would do.
posted by HereticAs well they should, at least for people capable of thinking. For an example, there's a history of Alzheimer's in my family, so I kind of pay attention to that disease. It doesn't usually kill a person itself, but it does erode the immune system so that even a light cold can turn into pneumonia and easily be fatal.
Acting like a disease that isn't regularly the sole reason for an eventual death is somehow less serious and attempts to treat it seriously are "panic promotion" is the sort of thing painfully stupid people who only care about whatever their agenda is would do.
I'm not downplaying the significance the virus can have on those with other maladies. I am showcasing the misinformation that has been levied for ulterior motives.
posted by QuakerOats
I'm not downplaying the significance the virus can have on those with other maladies. I am showcasing the misinformation that has been levied for ulterior motives.
Here’s the problem with anyone/thing that promotes this “IT’S ONLY 6%!” Narrative.
The people that are pushing it either do not understand how death certificates are done or they are flat out lying.
For instance, if I fall off a 10 story building and on the way down the shock makes me die of a heart attack, my death certificate would mention the heart attack and the blunt trauma of the fall.
The cause of death was the fall, the fall caused the heart attack which caused the death. Those promoting this “6%!” BS is the same as if someone said “well, he didn’t die from falling 10 stories he died of a heart attack”
The death numbers are exaggerated some, but every study has shown that the death count number is between 20-25% lower, not 94% lower.
People with diabetes don’t die, typically, from just diabetes. However, COVID-19 really attacks people with diabetes and they have a hard time recovering from it. They died because of COVID even if diabetes was a co-morbitity.
So stop posting the 6% horseshit it makes you look like you don’t understand what is going on.
The studies that have separated people who died because of COVID vs those that just died and happened to have COVID is about a 25% reduction in reported deaths, not 94% reduction.
I know full well what is going on, and I appreciate your concern.
posted by jmogHere’s the problem with anyone/thing that promotes this “IT’S ONLY 6%!” Narrative.
The people that are pushing it either do not understand how death certificates are done or they are flat out lying.
For instance, if I fall off a 10 story building and on the way down the shock makes me die of a heart attack, my death certificate would mention the heart attack and the blunt trauma of the fall.
The cause of death was the fall, the fall caused the heart attack which caused the death. Those promoting this “6%!” BS is the same as if someone said “well, he didn’t die from falling 10 stories he died of a heart attack”
The death numbers are exaggerated some, but every study has shown that the death count number is between 20-25% lower, not 94% lower.
People with diabetes don’t die, typically, from just diabetes. However, COVID-19 really attacks people with diabetes and they have a hard time recovering from it. They died because of COVID even if diabetes was a co-morbitity.
So stop posting the 6% horseshit it makes you look like you don’t understand what is going on.
The studies that have separated people who died because of COVID vs those that just died and happened to have COVID is about a 25% reduction in reported deaths, not 94% reduction.
I think the thing people should be focusing on from that report is the median age of death.
posted by QuakerOatsI know full well what is going on, and I appreciate your concern.
Your posts prove otherwise.
posted by sportchamppsI think the thing people should be focusing on from that report is the median age of death.
That is a key statistic.
COVID is very serious and can be horrible for certain people. I personally have never felt otherwise about it. This business about it being a "cold" or whatever else is nonsense. My entire problem with the last six months is that people need to be allowed to make the decision themselves about how they need to go about their lives in light of the risk. If someone is in a high risk category, our society should do everything possible to allow them to attend school, work, shop, etc in a way that limits their chances of exposure. I have zero problem with whatever needs to be done to make this possible. In many/most cases, these accomodations have been made. This goes for people who have the potential to expose someone who is high risk as well.
The problem is then restricting basic things for everyone else who either 1) is very low risk or 2) has decided that they are willing to live with their higher risk category. This is complete crap. Keeping kids away from school, closing offices for 6-18 months, restricting small businesses from operating, restricting travel over state lines are all terrible options because they are (and will continue to) cost our society exponetially more than the risk of COVID (i.e. lost income, other health issues not being addressed, horrible mental health developments, huge increases in drug and alcohol abuse). It also promotes this sort of "tuck tail and run" mentality that is a terrible example for our children. This last point is what makes me mad about the Big Ten's stupid decision. Sure I'll miss the football, but I can live with that. What's worse is the complete going to pieces mentality it showed.
My rant is over. Sorry.
Obesity related deaths top 600,000 a year. We arent keeping people out of the grocery stores.
This has entered overreach many weeks ago
posted by SpockObesity related deaths top 600,000 a year. We arent keeping people out of the grocery stores.
This has entered overreach many weeks ago
Is that contagious?
posted by Fab4RunnerIs that contagious?
Don’t waste your time. People still trying to compare this to something else that isn’t contagious might be the most helpless bunch out there.
posted by friendfromlowryDon’t waste your time. People still trying to compare this to something else that isn’t contagious might be the most helpless bunch out there.
I hate to side with Spock, but he has a fair point. Pointing out that other risks are tolerated does not mean someone denies that COVID is contagious or serious. But the people that are at a legitimate risk from it are able to take measures to greatly reduce their exposure. Why restrict everyone (the vast majority) else? The same logic could apply to what Spock said.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieI hate to side with Spock, but he has a fair point. Pointing out that other risks are tolerated does not mean someone denies that COVID is contagious or serious. But the people that are at a legitimate risk from it are able to take measures to greatly reduce their exposure. Why restrict everyone (the vast majority) else? The same logic could apply to what Spock said.
Except Spock has denied the seriousness of it numerous times, but that's another topic. And I don't think the same logic could be applied to what Spock said because he's talking about something that is contagious vs something that isn't. Last year before all this, I didn't care if the 350lb guy accidentally bumped into me at the store grabbing the Doritos. But I probably care if he bumped into me and was unknowingly positive, right? For the record, I'm not completely for the restrictions, either. Iowa State - one of the hardest hit areas of the country was planning to let 25K for their home opener football game soon (they reversed that today.) But I wouldn't have cared if they had fans. I probably wouldn't have gone given the chance. But we also don't know what the legitimate risk categories are, either. And that's probably the most important point. I think obesity and age are the biggest ones. But there's been correlation with blood types (type A more at risk), low vitamin D levels, etc. By this point, we all know or have heard of someone who got sick or died and we were a bit surprised. So I don't think it's as simple as saying "Hey you're 75 years old, probably shouldn't go to the store." Or "You're diabetic, no football games for you this year."
posted by friendfromlowry
Except Spock has denied the seriousness of it numerous times, but that's another topic. And I don't think the same logic could be applied to what Spock said because he's talking about something that is contagious vs something that isn't. Last year before all this, I didn't care if the 350lb guy accidentally bumped into me at the store grabbing the Doritos. But I probably care if he bumped into me and was unknowingly positive, right? For the record, I'm not completely for the restrictions, either. Iowa State - one of the hardest hit areas of the country was planning to let 25K for their home opener football game soon (they reversed that today.) But I wouldn't have cared if they had fans. I probably wouldn't have gone given the chance. But we also don't know what the legitimate risk categories are, either. And that's probably the most important point. I think obesity and age are the biggest ones. But there's been correlation with blood types (type A more at risk), low vitamin D levels, etc. By this point, we all know or have heard of someone who got sick or died and we were a bit surprised. So I don't think it's as simple as saying "Hey you're 75 years old, probably shouldn't go to the store." Or "You're diabetic, no football games for you this year."
Agree on this, from the "CC's an idiot making apples-to-oranges comparisons because that's all his tiny, malformed brain can think to write" to the rest of it, as well.
To me, the main problem is that it really doesn't seem like people are all that good at walking the it-really-shouldn't-be-a-fine line between being completely over-the-top one way or the other about this...or most things that can be tied into politics and whatnot.
On one hand, you have the "BUT MUH RITES!!!!!" crowd acting like wearing a mask in public settings is the single most oppressive thing anyone has ever made anyone do throughout the history of humanity, idiots like CC comparing a contagious disease to obesity and tools like Quaker trumpeting SIX PERCENT without bothering to do anything resembling conscious thought on things like how one disease might effect another health condition.
On the other hand, you have people who constantly are looking to move the goalposts on how things need to be shut down and no one should do anything fun that involves being around any number of people until no one is catching anything at all from anyone. To the degree that all I'm catching is a total lack of self-awareness as to how stupid they sound when acting like some new incident totally validates their feelings.
For example, today, I saw that the Sturgis bike rally was a top Twitter headline and clicked on it because I know a few people who went there. It was trending because one person who was there died of the 'Rona. The article added that a few hundred people who'd been there (260 in 11 states) wound up getting diagnosed/sick from it. Which would make a "big gatherings = bad" point if not for the teeny-tiny bit of information concerning how hundreds of thousands of people converge on this small town and the general vibe seems to be that masks and anything resembling caution are for pussies. That many people in one location with only a few hundred cases of a disease recorded and one death? That, uh, doesn't sound like some big cause for concern. But if you search Sturgis Motorcycle Rally on Twitter and scroll down the feed, you'll get "super-spreader events", "covidiots" and all the other fun buzz words to the degree that you get the idea that all these people learned fractions and proportions from CC.
