Covid-19 discussion, continued...

8,788 posts 20 reps Joined Nov 2009
Fri, Jul 24, 2020 5:51 PM
posted by majorspark
Just took a quick glance at the CDC website and Maryland looked to be a little higher than Ohio the last 7 days.

No. 

Ohio has over 9k cases and MD has over 5k the last 7 or so days. 

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases

Also, MD has about 500 people in the hospital and Ohio has over 1,000 in the hospital currently.

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases

gut Senior Member
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Fri, Jul 24, 2020 6:02 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

No. 

Ohio has over 9k cases and MD has over 5k the last 7 or so days. 

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases

Also, MD has about 500 people in the hospital and Ohio has over 1,000 in the hospital currently.

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases

But OH has more than double the population of Maryland.  So according to the data you posted, Ohio is actually doing a little better.
8,788 posts 20 reps Joined Nov 2009
Fri, Jul 24, 2020 6:12 PM
posted by gut
But OH has more than double the population of Maryland.  So according to the data you posted, Ohio is actually doing a little better.

That is true. 

I was more saying throughout all of this MD and Ohio have had around the same numbers. DeWine and Hogan were usually following the same policies and guidance.

They changed once Ohio numbers started to climb again last month. MD has stayed largely flat. 

Verbal Kint Senior Member
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Fri, Jul 24, 2020 6:14 PM

Current fatality rate is .04% of the population

population is 40% obese 

gut Senior Member
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Fri, Jul 24, 2020 6:22 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

That is true. 

I was more saying throughout all of this MD and Ohio have had around the same numbers. DeWine and Hogan were usually following the same policies and guidance.

They changed once Ohio numbers started to climb again last month. MD has stayed largely flat. 

Ehhhh, OH numbers tripled from the low while Maryland doubled.

It does provide some context, though, for how big of a difference masks make (or don't).  I think the big culprit was bars and maybe restaurants, and maybe private parties even more so.  I also think if you don't maintain social distance that you will still infect people even if you're wearing a mask.  Whether that's 30 minutes or several hours I have no idea.

jmog Senior Member
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Fri, Jul 24, 2020 10:08 PM

Don’t care what side of the mask aisle you are on, I like Tuscaloosa’s FB page moderator. This is funny. 


majorspark Senior Member
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Fri, Jul 24, 2020 10:29 PM
posted by gut
But OH has more than double the population of Maryland.  So according to the data you posted, Ohio is actually doing a little better.

Exactly my point.

majorspark Senior Member
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Sat, Jul 25, 2020 12:27 AM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

I was more saying throughout all of this MD and Ohio have had around the same numbers.

Per capita its not even close.  Likely it has more to do with the geographical location of the two states and the proximity of the outbreak early on and the movement of people.

Everyone wants to carve out some kind of political edge.  Its going to run its course.  

Spock Senior Member
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Spock Senior Member
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Mon, Jul 27, 2020 11:11 AM

https://www.axios.com/moderna-nih-coronavirus-vaccine-ownership-agreements-22051c42-2dee-4b19-938d-099afd71f6a0.html


https://www.cnn.com/specials/live-video-2


And if you do a little looking you will see that Fauci and the others are pushing Moderna vaccine......a company that NIH and the government owns part of this.


Follow the money and you will find the reason why we are locked down.

Automatik Senior Member
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Mon, Jul 27, 2020 11:12 AM

What's your take on the Oxford vaccine?

jmog Senior Member
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Mon, Jul 27, 2020 11:42 AM
posted by Spock

https://www.axios.com/moderna-nih-coronavirus-vaccine-ownership-agreements-22051c42-2dee-4b19-938d-099afd71f6a0.html


https://www.cnn.com/specials/live-video-2


And if you do a little looking you will see that Fauci and the others are pushing Moderna vaccine......a company that NIH and the government owns part of this.


Follow the money and you will find the reason why we are locked down.

Does the vaccine have a 0.1% chance of working or a 0.001% chance? Asking for a friend...


Spock Senior Member
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Mon, Jul 27, 2020 11:45 AM
posted by Automatik

What's your take on the Oxford vaccine?

It wont be a "vaccine" but it will be a type of therapeutic that created the proper immune response.  Most people die from this virus because of their own immune response is so traumatic.  Its called the cytokine storm.



gut Senior Member
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Mon, Jul 27, 2020 12:41 PM
posted by Spock

Most people die from this virus because of their own immune response is so traumatic.  Its called the cytokine storm.

That's only the case for most healthier, young individuals who die.

The elderly/at-risk population dies from covid-affected things like pneumonia and heart failure, not the "cytokine storm".

gut Senior Member
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Mon, Jul 27, 2020 12:44 PM

Yeah, this sounds like a SUPER idea - let's create a "less dangerous" version of the virus so it can be studied under less strict lab safety protocol.

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/07/27/Lab-created-virus-may-aid-COVID-19-research-scientists-say/4821595861498/

Spock Senior Member
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Mon, Jul 27, 2020 1:28 PM
posted by gut

That's only the case for most healthier, young individuals who die.

The elderly/at-risk population dies from covid-affected things like pneumonia and heart failure, not the "cytokine storm".

Where do you think all the fluid comes from when you die from pneumonia?

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Mon, Jul 27, 2020 2:47 PM
posted by ptown_trojans_1

No. 

Ohio has over 9k cases and MD has over 5k the last 7 or so days. 

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases

Also, MD has about 500 people in the hospital and Ohio has over 1,000 in the hospital currently.

https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases



So Ohio has 1,000 in the hospital .......... 11 people per county.



Staggering.  Lock everything down.

gut Senior Member
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Mon, Jul 27, 2020 3:10 PM
posted by Spock

Where do you think all the fluid comes from when you die from pneumonia?

Pneumonia is typically caused by a bacterial or viral infection, dumbass.

https://aging.com/what-causes-pneumonia-in-the-elderly/

"Pneumonia is an infection of the lungs that affects the tiny air sacs known as alveoli. In some cases, the alveoli become inflamed as a result of infection, which makes breathing difficult and makes the lungs function less effectively to oxygenate our blood. In other cases, the alveoli become infected and fill up with fluid such as pus."

Spock Senior Member
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Mon, Jul 27, 2020 3:54 PM
posted by gut

Pneumonia is typically caused by a bacterial or viral infection, dumbass.

https://aging.com/what-causes-pneumonia-in-the-elderly/

"Pneumonia is an infection of the lungs that affects the tiny air sacs known as alveoli. In some cases, the alveoli become inflamed as a result of infection, which makes breathing difficult and makes the lungs function less effectively to oxygenate our blood. In other cases, the alveoli become infected and fill up with fluid such as pus."

Thank you for making my point.  People get pneumonia from other shit.  Its not a stand alone illness,  that inflammation and fluid comes from the bodies response to a foreign substance in the lungs.



like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Tue, Jul 28, 2020 2:48 AM

The responses to this tweet are hilarious.  A lot of mental gymnasitcs going on trying to justify a certain type of large gathering (protests) vs another (concerts, funerals, etc). 



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