Am I a terrible person because...

posted by Commander of Awesome

I get why that was important in 1776, but damn if it's no longer applicable in today's America. Non profit/religious tax exception is a plague on the US and consistently abused. You're right though, would be very challenging to change today. I think it would be interesting to see how many religious institutions would survive a change in the tax code.

To be clear, I get what you are saying.  I just can't get behind property owners being forced to give up or sell their property.  I'd meet you in the middle if you were down with a business person or non profit buying these properties from churches to use the property for other purposes. 

Or how about lifetime limits on them? IE once the current owner dies, or land changes ownership land renovation has to take place.

I am fine with separation of church and state.  I think it still applies today even if more people are questioning religion in this day and age.  All religions deserves their criticisms, but they also do a lot of good imo.   In your scenario, I don't think many churches would survive, because they aren't businesses, but I don't think religions would die.  I am a bit conflicted when I think about it though.  On one end fuck taxes, on the other end it is obnoxious to see some of these churches with state of the art facilities and procuring shit when they otherwise could be using it to help those in need. 

As for your other question.  No, I am only meeting you where a non profit, business, or individual buys the property from the church.  At that point it's up to the new owner what he/she/they want to do with the property.  In the case of a business or non profit buying the property it doesn't matter who dies, because it remains property of that business/non profit.  If an individual owner dies it goes to a family member or whoever they have on their will. 

posted by like_that

I am fine with separation of church and state.  I think it still applies today even if more people are questioning religion in this day and age.  All religions deserves their criticisms, but they also do a lot of good imo.   In your scenario, I don't think many churches would survive, because they aren't businesses, but I don't think religions would die.  I am a bit conflicted when I think about it though.  On one end fuck taxes, on the other end it is obnoxious to see some of these churches with state of the art facilities and procuring shit when they otherwise could be using it to help those in need. 

Yep, hypocrisy in plain sight.

As for your other question.  No, I am only meeting you where a non profit, business, or individual buys the property from the church.  At that point it's up to the new owner what he/she/they want to do with the property.  In the case of a business or non profit buying the property it doesn't matter who dies, because it remains property of that business/non profit.  If an individual owner dies it goes to a family member or whoever they have on their will. 

In my new era of the US though, having a cemetery or a burial plot for money (either for or non - profit business) would be illegal. I'm meeting in the middle by not fucking the current land owners. There are numerous examples of this in the US such as families that own property on land that became a national park for instance. Another way to think about, lets say the US banned alcohol making, the owners of said brewery/wine maker/etc... would be able to operate on their land until they die. Then the land has to be used for something else.

posted by Commander of Awesome

Yep, hypocrisy in plain sight.

As for your other question.  No, I am only meeting you where a non profit, business, or individual buys the property from the church.  At that point it's up to the new owner what he/she/they want to do with the property.  In the case of a business or non profit buying the property it doesn't matter who dies, because it remains property of that business/non profit.  If an individual owner dies it goes to a family member or whoever they have on their will. 

In my new era of the US though, having a cemetery or a burial plot for money (either for or non - profit business) would be illegal. I'm meeting in the middle by not fucking the current land owners. There are numerous examples of this in the US such as families that own property on land that became a national park for instance. Another way to think about, lets say the US banned alcohol making, the owners of said brewery/wine maker/etc... would be able to operate on their land until they die. Then the land has to be used for something else.

COA's Manifesto sounds very much like communism decorated in glitter to make it look nice.  I will pass.

posted by like_that

COA's Manifesto sounds very much like communism decorated in glitter to make it look nice.  I will pass.

lol manifesto huh? Reach much? Wanting an even tax playing field and better land use now = communism. Heard it all now.

posted by Commander of Awesome

lol manifesto huh? Reach much? Wanting an even tax playing field and better land use now = communism. Heard it all now.

I was more referring to the state "allowing" you to use your land for a specific reason, but  must be given up for whatever the state deems appropriate at the time of your death.

Or in your particular example the state deems an entire industry/sector/practice/activity illegal (even though it doesn't harm others), allowing the property to continue as usual, but then the property is either seized and/or must be used for something else deemed appropriate by the state.  

I was busting your balls with the COA Manifesto, but your new age USA doesn't sound like freedom to me.

posted by Commander of Awesome

Yep, hypocrisy in plain sight.

As for your other question.  No, I am only meeting you where a non profit, business, or individual buys the property from the church.  At that point it's up to the new owner what he/she/they want to do with the property.  In the case of a business or non profit buying the property it doesn't matter who dies, because it remains property of that business/non profit.  If an individual owner dies it goes to a family member or whoever they have on their will. 

In my new era of the US though, having a cemetery or a burial plot for money (either for or non - profit business) would be illegal. I'm meeting in the middle by not fucking the current land owners. There are numerous examples of this in the US such as families that own property on land that became a national park for instance. Another way to think about, lets say the US banned alcohol making, the owners of said brewery/wine maker/etc... would be able to operate on their land until they die. Then the land has to be used for something else.

Is there some land shortage I haven't heard about?

posted by queencitybuckeye

Is there some land shortage I haven't heard about?

Well we are at like 6% developed land usage. So we only have like 4000 more years at this pace. 

posted by queencitybuckeye

Is there some land shortage I haven't heard about?

Depends on where/what for.

posted by Commander of Awesome

I think funerals are creepy AF and will not go to one.

And they are fucking expensive and a waste of money. I don't give a shit if anyone comes to my funeral. If they like me, now is the time to show it. Not when i'm gone. And they can just toss my body out back for the coyotes or cut it up for spare parts if somebody wants them. When i'm dead, i'm dead. 

posted by SportsAndLady

So Glad you teach children!

kids are excluded from that.  Kids do grow up and are in charge of their destiny.  Funny how most fall right into the trap that they came from.

I can't get upset when people I don't know personally die. Per google 7000+ die every day. I'm supposed to be upset because some celebrity died? (Or someone who was on tv) I just can't really give a shit.