Am I a terrible person because...

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Thu, Dec 27, 2018 7:35 PM

I don't have a strong opinion on abortion one way or the other?

 

What do you think/do/not do that seems to put you on an island by yourself?

 


Spock Senior Member
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Thu, Dec 27, 2018 8:09 PM

I have zero sympathy for most peoples situations

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Thu, Dec 27, 2018 8:22 PM
posted by Spock

I have zero sympathy for most peoples situations

So Glad you teach children!

Ironman92 Administrator
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Thu, Dec 27, 2018 8:49 PM
posted by SportsAndLady

So Glad you teach children!

lol 

Fab4Runner Tits McGee
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Thu, Dec 27, 2018 9:16 PM
posted by Spock

I have zero sympathy for most peoples situations

Big shocker here! And yes, it makes you pretty terrible. 

33,369 posts 133 reps Joined Nov 2009
Fri, Dec 28, 2018 12:44 AM

I don’t give 2 fucks about your kid (and no, I won’t pester you with mine).

Not so much a bad person, just abnormal for my life and how it played out. But I was adopted at birth (mom was a 15 year old and dad is unknown)...yet I still believe women should be allowed to abort their pregnancy.

vball10set paying it forward
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Fri, Dec 28, 2018 8:25 AM
posted by Laley23

I don’t give 2 fucks about your kid (and no, I won’t pester you with mine).

Not so much a bad person, just abnormal for my life and how it played out. But I was adopted at birth (mom was a 15 year old and dad is unknown)...yet I still believe women should be allowed to abort their pregnancy.

just curious--have you met, or even have the desire to meet, your birth mother?

33,369 posts 133 reps Joined Nov 2009
Fri, Dec 28, 2018 2:11 PM
posted by vball10set

just curious--have you met, or even have the desire to meet, your birth mother?

Most common question I get. And no, never have and doubt I ever will. My parents are my parents and I’ve just never felt any different or the need.

I did formally request to have my parents ethnicity relayed to me. Mom is 100% Lithuanian, dad is unknown. Best guess is Macedonian because I look like a lot of my cousins (who also were born in Fort Wayne and are Macedonian) in terms of skin tone and arm/leg hair with a very full beard (but no ankle/foot hair or back hair). And Fort Wayne is where I was born, which has a huge Macedonian population. But that’s completely speculative. Only know I am at least 50% Lithuanian.

 

24,621 posts 244 reps Joined May 2010
Fri, Dec 28, 2018 2:29 PM

I think funerals are creepy AF and will not go to one.

I don't think being an organ donor should be optional.

All graveyards should be dug up and sold. Complete waste of land and resource.

ernest_t_bass 12th Son of the Lama
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Fri, Dec 28, 2018 2:44 PM
posted by Commander of Awesome

I don't think being an organ donor should be optional.

Why does anyone have a right to your body without your consent, even if you're dead?  Don't get me wrong, I think all people should be donors, but how can you mandate something like that?

24,621 posts 244 reps Joined May 2010
Fri, Dec 28, 2018 2:47 PM
posted by ernest_t_bass

Why does anyone have a right to your body without your consent, even if you're dead?  Don't get me wrong, I think all people should be donors, but how can you mandate something like that?

Because the need of many outweighs your stupidity. (Not necessarily you, but you = the individual).

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Fri, Dec 28, 2018 2:54 PM
posted by Commander of Awesome

I think funerals are creepy AF and will not go to one.

I don't think being an organ donor should be optional.

All graveyards should be dug up and sold. Complete waste of land and resource.

I don't think these make you a bad person, but I completely disagree with 2.5 of them.

-I wouldn't say creepy, but funerals are very uncomfortable and I don't think many people here would say they are a good time. 

-I am all for organ donating, but no way would I ever advocate for a law mandating it.  You or the state has 0 right to tell me what I should do with my body.  Not to mention I would have my family members make that decision for my dead body well before anyone else.

-Same logic as above plus sprinkle in property rights.  If I am the property owner, it's none of your business.  End of story.  I also don't have a problem with people finding a way to mourn their deceased family or friends.  

24,621 posts 244 reps Joined May 2010
Fri, Dec 28, 2018 3:03 PM
posted by like_that

I don't think these make you a bad person, but I completely disagree with 2.5 of them.

-I wouldn't say creepy, but funerals are very uncomfortable and I don't think many people here would say they are a good time. 

-I am all for organ donating, but no way would I ever advocate for a law mandating it.  You or the state has 0 right to tell me what I should do with my body.  Not to mention I would have my family members make that decision for my dead body well before anyone else.

-Same logic as above plus sprinkle in property rights.  If I am the property owner, it's none of your business.  End of story.  I also don't have a problem with people finding a way to mourn their deceased family or friends.  

Nor do I, but land resources are becoming a larger and larger issue. I think the practice of mourning has to adapt and doesn't necessitate shitty living conditions or wasted resources. Look up data on how often cemeteries are visited by families, most are not. If a family wants to have a grave site to visit, it should be on their land.

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Fri, Dec 28, 2018 3:09 PM
posted by Commander of Awesome

Because the need of many outweighs your stupidity. (Not necessarily you, but you = the individual).

People don't have rights, persons do, including the right of ultimate selfishness.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Fri, Dec 28, 2018 3:37 PM
posted by Commander of Awesome

I don't think being an organ donor should be optional.

100% agree

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Fri, Dec 28, 2018 4:39 PM
posted by Commander of Awesome

Nor do I, but land resources are becoming a larger and larger issue. I think the practice of mourning has to adapt and doesn't necessitate shitty living conditions or wasted resources. Look up data on how often cemeteries are visited by families, most are not. If a family wants to have a grave site to visit, it should be on their land.

It goes back to private property.  If it is private land nobody has a right to tell the owner what to do with it.  I could see your argument if we were talking about state or federally owned land. 

24,621 posts 244 reps Joined May 2010
Fri, Dec 28, 2018 4:48 PM
posted by like_that

It goes back to private property.  If it is private land nobody has a right to tell the owner what to do with it.  I could see your argument if we were talking about state or federally owned land. 

How do you feel about churches then? Churches have tons of land that are used for cemeteries that are exempt from property taxes.

To your point about Gov. land cemeteries, it gets tricky IMO. Arlington Cemetery for example is also a national landmark/monument. Does the goverment also own/operate cemeteries outside of this? I honestly do not know.

 

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
8,068 posts 121 reps Joined Nov 2009
Fri, Dec 28, 2018 5:04 PM
posted by Commander of Awesome

How do you feel about churches then? Churches have tons of land that are used for cemeteries that are exempt from property taxes.

To your point about Gov. land cemeteries, it gets tricky IMO. Arlington Cemetery for example is also a national landmark/monument. Does the goverment also own/operate cemeteries outside of this? I honestly do not know.

 

I don't know about the federal government, but the cemetery in the town I grew up in was owned and operated by the city. I imagine that's pretty common.

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Fri, Dec 28, 2018 5:14 PM
posted by Commander of Awesome

How do you feel about churches then? Churches have tons of land that are used for cemeteries that are exempt from property taxes.

To your point about Gov. land cemeteries, it gets tricky IMO. Arlington Cemetery for example is also a national landmark/monument. Does the goverment also own/operate cemeteries outside of this? I honestly do not know.

 

I am pretty agnostic, but I don't really care if people choose to have faith in their religion if it stays the fuck out of my business.  Therefore, I don't really get rattled by churches that own land and considering I hate taxes, I don't mind that they don't pay property taxes.  There isn't a wide epidemic of churches taking over our country and our land.  I am not sure what you think will happen if cemeteries are banned and that property is seized for other "resources."  It surely isn't going to make the housing prices in California drop lol.  I am more concerned about how much land our federal government is seizing than churches building cemeteries on their own land.  Not to mention the tax exemption is protected by the first amendment in the constitution.  Good luck making an amendment to that.  

 

To be clear, I get what you are saying.  I just can't get behind property owners being forced to give up or sell their property.  I'd meet you in the middle if you were down with a business person or non profit buying these properties from churches to use the property for other purposes. 

24,621 posts 244 reps Joined May 2010
Fri, Dec 28, 2018 5:26 PM
posted by like_that

I am pretty agnostic, but I don't really care if people choose to have faith in their religion if it stays the fuck out of my business.  Therefore, I don't really get rattled by churches that own land and considering I hate taxes, I don't mind that they don't pay property taxes.  There isn't a wide epidemic of churches taking over our country and our land.  I am not sure what you think will happen if cemeteries are banned and that property is seized for other "resources."  It surely isn't going to make the housing prices in California drop lol.  I am more concerned about how much land our federal government is seizing than churches building cemeteries on their own land.  Not to mention the tax exemption is protected by the first amendment in the constitution.  Good luck making an amendment to that. 

I get why that was important in 1776, but damn if it's no longer applicable in today's America. Non profit/religious tax exception is a plague on the US and consistently abused. You're right though, would be very challenging to change today. I think it would be interesting to see how many religious institutions would survive a change in the tax code.

To be clear, I get what you are saying.  I just can't get behind property owners being forced to give up or sell their property.  I'd meet you in the middle if you were down with a business person or non profit buying these properties from churches to use the property for other purposes. 

Or how about lifetime limits on them? IE once the current owner dies, or land changes ownership land renovation has to take place.

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Fri, Dec 28, 2018 5:27 PM
posted by Commander of Awesome

I get why that was important in 1776, but damn if it's no longer applicable in today's America. Non profit/religious tax exception is a plague on the US and consistently abused. You're right though, would be very challenging to change today. I think it would be interesting to see how many religious institutions would survive a change in the tax code.

Agreed. It's a joke churches don't pay taxes.

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