What's outraging you today?

posted by jmog

So a couple posts ago you said it was "even" now you may not believe it is "even" but instead "well Trump deserves it anyway"? So which is it?

i dont think trump is a victim. I dont really care if it is even or not.  The assertion was made that people treated obama good and that now the country has lost its mind. I disagreed with that statement. I think people treated obama bad because he was black. Through it all he handled every day of his presidency with class.  There have been republican presidents that had similar policies to trump aka bush.  No one called pubs racist or vilified them. If trump had the exact same policies that he wants now, but spoke like obama and really wanted to be accepted im sure he could have done it.  Instead he trolls on twitter and stokes the flames.  I am asserting that things havent gotten worse in this country and people have stayed relatively the same.  Trump is the difference not the american people. And looking at what i said i actually just said that he had a bad memory and that people got on obama for a tan suit.  Didnt say any of whatever you are asserting i said.  The same people who vilified obama  now are silent as the president golfs and looks like a idiot on twitter daily.

posted by geeblock

i dont think trump is a victim. I dont really care if it is even or not.  The assertion was made that people treated obama good and that now the country has lost its mind. I disagreed with that statement. I think people treated obama bad because he was black. Through it all he handled every day of his presidency with class.  There have been republican presidents that had similar policies to trump aka bush.  No one called pubs racist or vilified them. If trump had the exact same policies that he wants now, but spoke like obama and really wanted to be accepted im sure he could have done it.  Instead he trolls on twitter and stokes the flames.  I am asserting that things havent gotten worse in this country and people have stayed relatively the same.  Trump is the difference not the american people.

If you believe people didn't call Bush racist you forgot about Katrina. The narrative was that the response wasn't as fast as it should have/could have been because that part of Louisiana is mostly african american.

FYI, John McCain got similar "birther" questions since he was technically born in Panama, not in the US (both of his parents were citizens). 

Obama originally got questioned because his father was from and lived in Africa, he spent a majority of his childhood in Indonesia, and only one of his parents was a citizen. 

He didn't get questioned because he was black (unless you are willing to say McCain got questioned because he was white...). Now, the histeria it turned into even after a Birth Cert was provided was ridiculous, obviously. 

There was serious question raised about whether John McCain's status would be considered Constitutionally "a natural born citizen", people tend to forget that because it doesn't fit the narrative that "if you asked about my citizenship then you are racist".

There were plenty of actual racists and their treatment or depiction of Obama (literally saw a few monkey looking "Hope" posters that made me want to kick the shit out of whoever made them). But questioning his place of birth was not one of them. The narrative that "well you wouldn't ask a white President" was completely false with the evidence I stated above with McCain.

I was actually right with your believe that it was "just like it was before, just the other way" until the Kavanaugh hearings. Sorry, but the left went down a road that the right had not and I hope never will with that fiasco. That was the breaking point for me when I realized the left (not the fringe left, the people in Congress) had gone off the deep end.

I felt like most people liked bush but it could be recency affect since he seems more popular now. I didn’t really comment on the birther issue. The golf thing irritates me more as well as Michelle Obama getting slammed for sleeveless shirts when Melania has nude pics out there but is seen as more classy by some. I do understand not all white people hated Obama simply because he was black but there certainly is a double standard to what is acceptable now than 4 years ago 

Trump does bring a bunch of the "victimization" onto himself. I think he does this, partially, as a ploy to troll the media and it works to an astonishing degree. The media always reminds me of Lucy (Trump) insisting Charlie Brown (media) kick the football, only to pull it away at the last second. It happens every single time and I have to wonder when they'll catch on and stop doing it. It would certainly turn the table on him.

But on the other hand, and to a small degree, Trump is a good target for the reasons that was already brought up. He's unlikable, he somehow beat Hillary and he's a huge ratings boost (along with the accompanying ad revenue).

Let's face it, Trump and the media have an abusive and co-dependent relationship. And neither has any real interesting in packing up and leaving it. So the cycle will continue.

posted by jmog

That was the breaking point for me when I realized the left (not the fringe left, the people in Congress) had gone off the deep end.

I wouldn't attribute it all to Trump as we were already trending this direction (Harry Reid stood on the Senate floor, immune from slander charges, and said Romney was a tax cheat), but it prevents Trump/Republicans from taking the high road and truly hammering the fake news.

But it's inconceivable, and alarming, that you have former high-level Obama officials making the media rounds and spreading falsehoods, unchallenged by a sympathetic media.  You have members of Congress doing the same thing.  And the media has always been partisan, but with Trump they seem to have nearly abandoned ethics and integrity.  They don't care - they are no longer journalists, they are the resistance.

And when these news media fail to apologize or look within, then they make it clear they have no interest in changing.  WaPo changed their tagline to "Democracy Dies in Darkness" when Trump got elected....and that's extremely hypocritical for a paper that has virtually abandoned hard journalism.

posted by geeblock

I felt like most people liked bush but it could be recency affect since he seems more popular now. 

How quickly we forget.....George Bush was one of the most vilified Presidents in history....especially after 9/11 and its aftermath happened.  That and how he was deemed to be a racist simply because he followed protocol after Katrina and did not rush in the Federal government, but rather let it up to the Gov of Louisiana to ask for help before providing it. 

posted by geeblock

I do understand not all white people hated Obama simply because he was black but there certainly is a double standard to what is acceptable now than 4 years ago 

Sure, there were some who hated BHO simply because he was black......however, I think that the majority felt like he was a lousy President who was elected because he could give a good speech.  My hope in 2008 was that Herman Cain would be the Republican nominee.  Then, all people would have to vote on the basis of their qualifications, rather then on he color of their skin.  I did not vote for BHO in 2008 and expressly hoped that he would give me a reason to vote for him in 2012.  Sadly, he did not.

posted by geeblock

I felt like most people liked bush but it could be recency affect since he seems more popular now. I didn’t really comment on the birther issue. The golf thing irritates me more as well as Michelle Obama getting slammed for sleeveless shirts when Melania has nude pics out there but is seen as more classy by some. I do understand not all white people hated Obama simply because he was black but there certainly is a double standard to what is acceptable now than 4 years ago 

I pay attention to the political realm of the world fairly well, and I have never seen a "who's more classy, Michelle or Melania?" discussion...not on TV, not on political radio (admittedly, I don't listen to guys like Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, et al). 

Those that complained about Obama's golf vs Trump's is utterly ridiculous, you are right about that. However, are you sure it's about race and not just about said people being partisan hacks? I see plenty on the left complaining about Trump's golfing that didn't when Obama was golfing, do they hate white people? I believe they are both just partisan hacks. Only way you aren't a partisan hack is if you either complained about them both golfing too much, or you said "I don't care, a POTUS is always actually working anyway" (me). 

Racism exists, obviously, but in today's climate people are so ready to jump on ANYTHING ANYONE says slightly negative about an African American as racist. No, maybe they just don't like that said person. I believe that was the case for MOST of the negative crap about Obama, people were partisan hacks, you know why I believe this? Most of those same people LOVE the idea of a Condoleeza Rice, Dr. Ben Carson, Herman Cain, Allen West, etc Presidency. Shoot, most of those people LOVE Candace Owens.

Calling everyone who says something negative about a person a racist, or even now if someone doesn't fit in line with the liberal view point a racist, cheapens actual racism. We should fight actual racism together rather than looking for it as soon as someone doesn't like "so and so" and that person happens to be black.

posted by jmog

I pay attention to the political realm of the world fairly well, and I have never seen a "who's more classy, Michelle or Melania?" discussion...

The treatment of Michelle was disgusting, and often blatantly racist. Treatment of Melania has been pretty unfair, also, but not nearly equal.

And, really, if Trump wasn't so abhorrent a First Lady that did girl-girl photoshoots and married for money is way down the "classy" list.

Trump is the first president where I have seen people have to defend themselves as not racist for voting for him and I don’t think it has anything to do with him being a republican or the current state of our country or the media. I guess is what I’m trying to say. It is a direct result of his own doing imo 

To repeat, I am talking about personal hatred.  A lot of us disagreed with obama on nearly everything he did, but that does not mean we hated him at all.  With Trump, it is simply pure hatred, or some type of mind-altering malady that has completely engulfed the left. 

posted by QuakerOats

 

To repeat, I am talking about personal hatred.  A lot of us disagreed with obama on nearly everything he did, but that does not mean we hated him at all.  With Trump, it is simply pure hatred, or some type of mind-altering malady that has completely engulfed the left. 

Obama was hard to hate tho. Even if you disagreed with him he was funny and handled every situation with digni

I thought he was a good person and good father.  Although the more we continue to uncover about the coup attempt, which began on his watch, I am not so sure anymore.

posted by QuakerOats

To repeat, I am talking about personal hatred.  A lot of us disagreed with obama on nearly everything he did, but that does not mean we hated him at all.  With Trump, it is simply pure hatred, or some type of mind-altering malady that has completely engulfed the left. 

I did see this in pockets of Republicans, but it wasn't even close to as widespread as it is with Trump.

I don't even like Trump, as a person or as a politician.  I think he's an adolescent man-boy whose policies have been about as bad as Obama's.  However, the level of sheer desperation with which people seem to hate him blows my mind.  And it doesn't actually say that much about him.  It tells me mostly about them: that they lack the ability to separate political convictions and personal character.  They seem to equate beliefs rooted in foundational worldviews and behavior rooted in personality.
 

posted by geeblock

Obama was hard to hate tho. Even if you disagreed with him he was funny and handled every situation with digni

I can agree with this.  Most of the presidents that have been around since I've grown up have at least seemed like good-natured people.  Obama, Clinton, and Carter all seem like they'd be easy with which to carry a conversation, and the same applies to Reagan and the Bushes.

I do think some of why we have so much vitriol toward Trump is because of his personality, though I would say that there has been a build toward the whole 'Trump supporters are racist' topic dating back to Obama's first election.  There were people saying even then that a vote for someone other than Obama was racist.  It wasn't a prevalent view yet, but it was starting.  It got louder during his second election.

We were going to end up with that narrative no matter who ended up on the Republican ticket in 2016 sans Carson.  That tire fire was happening either way.

Trump just pours gas on it.  He's abrasive.  He's sophomoric.  He's anything but diplomatic.  He's the stereotypical high school bully if high school bullies were in their 70s.

But we were going to be some degree of here anyway.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/28/tech/trump-twitter-rules-label/index.html

Reads in part:
 

Twitter is considering labeling tweets that violate its rules but should remain on the platform because they're in the public interest.Vijaya Gadde, Twitter's head of legal, policy and trust made the announcement during an on-stage interview with the Washington Post on Wednesday.The social media company is trying to find a way of maintaining its standards while adding context to tweets from politicians and other figures that may be offensive but are important for public debate.

Gadde said Twitter is considering limiting the visibility of dehumanizing tweets. A user would have to click through in order to view the tweet.

Also the fact that CNN is still whimpering that Trump popularized a meme using their logo. I guess it dehumanized them  >.>

I swear, it's almost like people on the left WANT Trump to be voted in again.  

posted by CenterBHSFan

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/28/tech/trump-twitter-rules-label/index.html

Reads in part:
 

Gadde said Twitter is considering limiting the visibility of dehumanizing tweets. A user would have to click through in order to view the tweet.

Also the fact that CNN is still whimpering that Trump popularized a meme using their logo. I guess it dehumanized them  >.>

I swear, it's almost like people on the left WANT Trump to be voted in again.  

Thoughts and prayers are with you in this troubling time. 

Not going to post the pic, but Gillette has a new ad out, literally pushing for "fat acceptance". For those who have already seen the ad, you already know and won't click. For those who haven't seen it - the pic displays a morbidly obese woman on a beach. You've been warned.

https://twitter.com/GilletteVenus/status/1113565570354409473

Venus is committed to representing beautiful women of all shapes, sizes, and skin types because ALL types of beautiful skin deserve to be shown. We love Anna because she lives out loud and loves her skin no matter how the “rules” say she should display it

Now, I know that there are some cases out there where being overweight is beyond the control of normal means (diet, exercise, surgery, etc.). But propagating this as breaking the rules of society isn't exactly being honest. It goes against the guidelines of good health proven by medicine/science. 

This is coming in an age where people are protesting against fitness models being displayed on buses lol!
  

^^^Only 10% of the human genome carries markers to be larger than normal.  Just being a big person.  A smaller % develop thyroid and other issues that cause the pounds to pack on.  But our society is tipping at 65% overweight and obese to a point where its starting to effect everyone.

posted by CenterBHSFan

Not going to post the pic, but Gillette has a new ad out, literally pushing for "fat acceptance". https://twitter.com/GilletteVenus/status/1113565570354409473

posted by Spock

^^^Only 10% of the human genome carries markers to be larger than normal.  Just being a big person.  A smaller % develop thyroid and other issues that cause the pounds to pack on.  But our society is tipping at 65% overweight and obese to a point where its starting to effect everyone.

How is it that you can be so dense on a daily basis, but sometimes post coherent stuff like this?

posted by CenterBHSFan

Not going to post the pic, but Gillette has a new ad out, literally pushing for "fat acceptance". For those who have already seen the ad, you already know and won't click. For those who haven't seen it - the pic displays a morbidly obese woman on a beach. You've been warned.

https://twitter.com/GilletteVenus/status/1113565570354409473

Now, I know that there are some cases out there where being overweight is beyond the control of normal means (diet, exercise, surgery, etc.). But propagating this as breaking the rules of society isn't exactly being honest. It goes against the guidelines of good health proven by medicine/science. 

This is coming in an age where people are protesting against fitness models being displayed on buses lol!
  

I don't mind a delineation, so long as it's observed.

All body types can be beautiful.  That's fine.  Beauty is, at most, loosely rooted in biological needs from generations past and developed in a society over time.  That's about the most objective it can be.

Not all body types are healthy.  It's biological fact that being overweight increases the chances of heart disease, diabetes, and stroke.  We have the numbers and the science behind them.  So long as we occupy this shared physical universe, that fact is virtually immutable.

So, I don't mind someone with an ad saying all bodies are beautiful in an effort to combat shaming someone's appearance.  But let's not toss the objectively empirical baby out with the subjectively aesthetic bathwater.