What's outraging you today?

posted by O-Trap

Don't you mean cheeseberders?

People that feel the need to correct spelling or grammar  because they have no valid argument in

the first place 

posted by Spock

First off, tenure doesnt exist anymore.

Secondly, how would you like to be evaluated  on how other people do?

Third, we have huge requirements on a yearly basis on professional development.  I am sure that most college grads arent required to continually take college courses to stay employed.

fourth......what you call a salary isnt what a teacher brings home to live off of.  After retirement, taxes, benefits.....no teacher brings home more than 60% of their salary.  Its more like 45%

Lastly, is being an educator the most important job in our society.....yes it is.  You think you would want the brightest and best.  Paying them scraps doesnt do that.

Sure is the schedule nice, yes it is.  

The bolded might explain why you aren't getting paid what you want. Your district must want you to leave so they can get someone who is at least "bright" and "good", if not "brightest and best".

posted by Spock

First off, tenure doesnt exist anymore.

Secondly, how would you like to be evaluated  on how other people do?

Third, we have huge requirements on a yearly basis on professional development.  I am sure that most college grads arent required to continually take college courses to stay employed.

fourth......what you call a salary isnt what a teacher brings home to live off of.  After retirement, taxes, benefits.....no teacher brings home more than 60% of their salary.  Its more like 45%

Lastly, is being an educator the most important job in our society.....yes it is.  You think you would want the brightest and best.  Paying them scraps doesnt do that.

Sure is the schedule nice, yes it is.  

I was right there with you until I got to this line.  Anyone who makes this claim, regardless of your profession, needs a big time reality check.  What is the most important job in our society?

• If I'm having a heart attack, a heart surgeon.
• If I'm being chased by a deranged killer, a cop.
• If my house is burning down and my family is inside, a fireman
• If I am starving, a cook
• If I require sports to keep me sane, an athlete
• If I am being sued wrongfully, an attorney
• If I am horny and single, a hooker.

My point is that most everyone's job is important.  I empathize with some teachers who do not earn a lot of money for what they do.  But once I hear the "we have the most important job" or "if you can read this sign, thank me" I tune out completely.  

posted by Spock

First off, tenure doesnt exist anymore.

Secondly, how would you like to be evaluated  on how other people do?

Third, we have huge requirements on a yearly basis on professional development.  I am sure that most college grads arent required to continually take college courses to stay employed.

fourth......what you call a salary isnt what a teacher brings home to live off of.  After retirement, taxes, benefits.....no teacher brings home more than 60% of their salary.  Its more like 45%

Lastly, is being an educator the most important job in our society.....yes it is.  You think you would want the brightest and best.  Paying them scraps doesnt do that.

Sure is the schedule nice, yes it is.  

You just described the majority of career fields.  Congrats on not being special.

posted by like_that

You just described the majority of career fields.  Congrats on not being special.

No....no i didn't.  Other jobs dont evaluate on an individual basis how well their co workers do and then apply that to their evaluation.

Uhhh....ever worked in sales? 

posted by Spock

No....no i didn't.  Other jobs dont evaluate on an individual basis how well their co workers do and then apply that to their evaluation.

 

That's exactly how every company evaluates employees - at least all of the ones I've ever worked for.  You get evaluated in part on your own performance and in part on the entire company's performance (how well co-workers do).

posted by Devils Advocate

People that feel the need to correct spelling or grammar  because they have no valid argument in

the first place 

Oh, come on.  It's part of the running joke.  ;)
 

posted by Spock

No....no i didn't.  Other jobs dont evaluate on an individual basis how well their co workers do and then apply that to their evaluation.

My guess is that you haven't worked in sales, customer support, marketing, the medical field, legal, or even manufacturing.

Every. Single. One of those fields does indeed do evaluations based on how you compare to your peers' performance.

Distribution centers, construction management, civil engineering...the list goes on.

So, it looks like "stupid people who whine about their job while showing no actual knowledge about how the world of employment works in general" might not outrage people, but at least is good for a laugh or two.

I'm still laughing about the whole "other fields don't have to take classes to stay employed" part because it's as hilariously ignorant as the "we're the only ones judged off what others do" bit. Might not be COLLEGE classes, but I have a friend who is an electrician who has repeatedly undergone training classes, both to improve his skill set for future employment opportunities and to keep up to date with technology (Bonus Points: He was pissed off at some co-workers a few weeks back because they were on a job as a team and other guys were slacking, making the boss annoyed because THE TEAM wasn't getting shit done in his preferred time-frame -- meaning his personal performance was tied into how the rest of his co-workers were doing). And another, older, friend who retired early from Xerox because of how copy machine technology changed to be more computerized/button-pushing and he was at the "I'd be retiring in 5 or so years anyway, have money saved and good investments, so fuck learning how to fix a completely new style of machine" point.

posted by Spock

fourth......what you call a salary isnt what a teacher brings home to live off of.  After retirement, taxes, benefits.....no teacher brings home more than 60% of their salary.  Its more like 45%

Lastly, is being an educator the most important job in our society.....yes it is.  You think you would want the brightest and best.  Paying them scraps doesnt do that.

1) I am also an educator.  I have 15 years in, so I assume fewer than you.  I know what I make, and I know how it stacks up to other career fields as well as other school districts.  I'm paid JUST FINE for what I do.  Heck, most of the times I think I almost make too much.

2) We are paid for 185 days of work.  Take your daily wage and multiply it by an arbitrary 260 (52 weeks * 5 days in a week).  What do you make now?  You are NOT PAID SCRAPS. 

CC, the only thing you do with your idiotic rants is prove to people everything they already think about teachers (and you).

posted by Spock

Sure is the schedule nice, yes it is.  

Solid education on display, right here.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

That's exactly how every company evaluates employees - at least all of the ones I've ever worked for.  You get evaluated in part on your own performance and in part on the entire company's performance (how well co-workers do).

Imagine living in CC's reality, where he thinks this only applies to teachers LOL.

posted by Heretic

So, it looks like "stupid people who whine about their job while showing no actual knowledge about how the world of employment works in general" might not outrage people, but at least is good for a laugh or two.

I'm still laughing about the whole "other fields don't have to take classes to stay employed" part because it's as hilariously ignorant as the "we're the only ones judged off what others do" bit. Might not be COLLEGE classes, but I have a friend who is an electrician who has repeatedly undergone training classes, both to improve his skill set for future employment opportunities and to keep up to date with technology (Bonus Points: He was pissed off at some co-workers a few weeks back because they were on a job as a team and other guys were slacking, making the boss annoyed because THE TEAM wasn't getting shit done in his preferred time-frame -- meaning his personal performance was tied into how the rest of his co-workers were doing). And another, older, friend who retired early from Xerox because of how copy machine technology changed to be more computerized/button-pushing and he was at the "I'd be retiring in 5 or so years anyway, have money saved and good investments, so fuck learning how to fix a completely new style of machine" point.

My career field, not only is a masters encouraged to move up the ladder, but we also have to get multiple certifications with multiple levels.  Once all of that is completed, we still have to seek out 80 hours of training every 2 years.  Training where you are actually tested on the material and have to pass to get your credit hours. 

CC finding out that almost every employer in this country operates the same way might be the funniest shit on this site for the past 6 or so months.  

posted by like_that

To piggy off this post and to go along the theme of this thread, I will add teachers that bitch about their career in general. Out of all career fields this one has the most pissing and moaning. Even in college the education majors tend to cry the most. 

+1. When I had Facebook, a couple girls I went to school with went on to be middle school teachers and they were constantly posting memes about how many days until Christmas/summer break, how the students were driving them crazy, etc. I'm sure being a teacher has its challenges but every job does and no one wants to hear about it all the time so shut the fuck up. 

i thought he delivered pizzas or something 

Yeah, the whole "teachers are the only ones doing professional development" is incredibly short sighted and hilarious.  Jesus, CC.

Engagement rings and diamonds is the latest outrage

Placing the dollar sign 56$ after the number outrages me.

posted by like_that

Placing the dollar sign 56$ after the number outrages me.

On that note, people who put the dollar sign in front, but still add the word 'dollars' at the end.  It enrage me. 

posted by like_that

Placing the dollar sign 56$ after the number outrages me.

This might be foreign, but I don’t get MM for million. Like wtf do you need 2 Ms for?