Vote by Mail

BTW, you know one of the ways that most states validate mail-in ballots?  A copy of your fucking ID!!!!!!  

LMFAO the jokes write themselves.

posted by gut

Someone needs to be a grown-up and explain to everyone why we can't have universal vote by mail.  It WILL be a disaster.

It looks to me like both sides are setting up the arguments to challenge the election results.  We're going to have forensic handwriting experts debating what's a valid signature or not on millions of mail-in ballots FOR MONTHS.

From everything I’m reading, it’s the Trumptards and pubs who are complaining about mail-in voting. Almost assuredly setting themselves up to use that excuse if they lose to Biden  

If I’m just not seeing the left-wing uproar, then that’s my bad, but I’m seeing a lot of right-wing Complaints about it. 

posted by SportsAndLady

If I’m just not seeing the left-wing uproar, then that’s my bad, but I’m seeing a lot of right-wing Complaints about it.

My point is the Dems want it because they know about the issues, and it will form a basis to contest and throw-out ballots.  And everything going on with USPS, which they cry about all day every day, will be a basis to count votes that were mailed or received too late.  Or if Trump wins it's illegitimate because the USPS is what we thought it is.

Do a little bit of googling and you'll find a range - something like 3% or 5% sometimes even 10% - of absentee ballots being disqualified.  Between 50-75% arrive too late, or postmarked too late.  That's normal times with no slowdown in the mail, with much lower volumes of mail-in ballots.  Heck, some people just send it too late - but now we can challenge if it was sent too late or it's because of "Trump's mail slow down".

Something like 15-30% are tossed because they can't be validated.  Wrong or missing ID included, or signatures are disputed.  It's going to be "hanging chads" all over again.

Instead of hangin chads it will be combing the voter rolls for bad signatures and dead people voting.

posted by gut

My point is the Dems want it because they know about the issues, and it will form a basis to contest and throw-out ballots.  And everything going on with USPS, which they cry about all day every day, will be a basis to count votes that were mailed or received too late.  Or if Trump wins it's illegitimate because the USPS is what we thought it is.

Do a little bit of googling and you'll find a range - something like 3% or 5% sometimes even 10% - of absentee ballots being disqualified.  Between 50-75% arrive too late, or postmarked too late.  That's normal times with no slowdown in the mail, with much lower volumes of mail-in ballots.  Heck, some people just send it too late - but now we can challenge if it was sent too late or it's because of "Trump's mail slow down".

Something like 15-30% are tossed because they can't be validated.  Wrong or missing ID included, or signatures are disputed.  It's going to be "hanging chads" all over again.

You sure do complain about the Dems a lot

posted by SportsAndLady

You sure do complain about the Dems a lot

Dont throw stones in your glass house

posted by SportsAndLady

You sure do complain about the Dems a lot

Republicans aren't the ones who've tried to overturn the result of 2 of the past 5 elections.

I don't really have a problem with Democrats.  But the handful of far-left progressives that run that party suck complete ass.

posted by Automatik

FRAUGHT!

How so specifically? I see WA state has been doing ok with it. Eagerly awaiting the Breibart links.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html

1 in 5 ballots rejected

"Mail-in ballots have long been acknowledged by voting experts to be more susceptible to fraud and irregularities than in-person voting"

You said fraught. Know the meanings of your words. 

posted by Automatik

You said fraught. Know the meanings of your words. 

I do, which is exactly why I used the word.

Best check your handy thesaurus.

posted by Automatik

You said fraught. Know the meanings of your words. 

I think you just pulled a CC.

posted by gut

Just expand early voting.  Most places already have at least 10-11 days to do that, it seems.  Open polls for 2 weeks straight ahead of Nov. 4....everyone can vote Nov. 4th, or you have 3 days out of the 14 to vote (according to your last name).

I don't know how you can expand early voting any more than it already it.  Not sure if other Ohio counties are different, but Franklin County has 19 straight days of in-person voting Oct 12-30, weekends included.   

In 2008, Dems pushed for early voting as the solution to "rock the vote" - done.  In 2020, it's "we need to vote by mail, not in person!" - and everyone seems to have forgotten about the expanded opportunities already in place.

Here's the disconnect for me - assuming younger (read: liberal) voters are leading the push for vote-by-mail, that's the same demographic that eschews mail in general, especially "important" first-class mail.  Just curious why the younger generation would even consider putting something in the mailbox nowadays.

I trust USPS - I trust the mails.  But here's the thing:  If I'm part of a group of 500,000 voters who all send their votes in by mail, there is always a small percentage of those mailpieces that will be lost or chewed up by machines  It's one thing to have an electric bill payment get lost in the mail.  You can always stop payment on the old check and send them a new one, and it will still count as paid.  But if my vote is one of 5 that don't make it in time to be counted, then I've given up my right to choose for that day.

Assuming the little guy in the statehouse doesn't pull another last-minute shenanigan like he did this spring, I'll be going in person to pull the virtual touch-screen lever.  Better odds for it to actually matter.

posted by Zunardo

I don't know how you can expand early voting any more than it already it.

I don't know, either.  I just know it's guaranteed to illegitimatize the election.