Uranium One / Clinton Foundation / obama DoJ corruption

It is becoming quite obvious that we need to cut the size of government in half ..........it will be much easier to police, now that it is imperative that we do so.  And it is also obvious that The People are going to have to do the policing, because the media has completely abandonded its primary duty:   watchdog of government. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I just think more than not FBI agents are more professional than corrupt

 

Did the FBI treat Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin equal to Micheal Flynn and George Papadopoulos?

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Depends man. Come on. You know as well as I do, shit gets lost in the Gov space. GAO and IG reports are full of examples. 

And people get in trouble for it at lower levels.  We aren't even talking about that with this scenario. I don't know what to tell you, it is inexcusable.  I haven't heard many GAO cases where they take it easy on the Government for "losing" important documents.   You are trying to justify losing important information, because "technology" is old.  That is 100% at the worst a fireable offense.  Maybe they let it slide for shitty deparments like the Dept of EDU, EPA,  Energy, or Hud, but other departments are held to a higher standard when obstruction/corruption isn't invovled.  This is the FBI we are talking about.  They are supposed to be the best of the best in terms of record keeping.  I don't know how you can look at them, the state department, or DoD and be ok with people just "losing" very important documents.  GTFO, you don't need to spin everything.

posted by majorspark

Did the FBI treat Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin equal to Micheal Flynn and George Papadopoulos?

I don't know and neither do you as the Flynn and Papa details are not fully released. 

posted by like_that

And people get in trouble for it at lower levels.  We aren't even talking about that with this scenario. I don't know what to tell you, it is inexcusable.  I haven't heard many GAO cases where they take it easy on the Government for "losing" important documents.   You are trying to justify losing important information, because "technology" is old.  That is 100% at the worst a fireable offense.  Maybe they let it slide for shitty deparments like the Dept of EDU, EPA,  Energy, or Hud, but other departments are held to a higher standard when obstruction/corruption isn't invovled.  This is the FBI we are talking about.  They are supposed to be the best of the best in terms of record keeping.  I don't know how you can look at them, the state department, or DoD and be ok with people just "losing" very important documents.  GTFO, you don't need to spin everything.

True, true. I was more suggesting is it possible that it wasn't shady shit about Trump and a secret society and more likely shit just got lost? I didn't mean to use it as a the reason the texts were lost, I was just offering another possible option.

Maybe the guys did want to cover up the fact they had a relationship and deleted their texts because of that? I don't know. That may be more likely than a vast conspiracy against Trump. Also, aren't the FBI agents in question removed from the Mueller probe as soon as this was found out? So, maybe they already received their punishment in some form? I don't know. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I don't know and neither do you as the Flynn and Papa details are not fully released. 

posted by like_that

And people get in trouble for it at lower levels.  We aren't even talking about that with this scenario. I don't know what to tell you, it is inexcusable.  I haven't heard many GAO cases where they take it easy on the Government for "losing" important documents.   You are trying to justify losing important information, because "technology" is old.  That is 100% at the worst a fireable offense.  Maybe they let it slide for shitty deparments like the Dept of EDU, EPA,  Energy, or Hud, but other departments are held to a higher standard when obstruction/corruption isn't invovled.  This is the FBI we are talking about.  They are supposed to be the best of the best in terms of record keeping.  I don't know how you can look at them, the state department, or DoD and be ok with people just "losing" very important documents.  GTFO, you don't need to spin everything.

True, true. I was more suggesting is it possible that it wasn't shady shit about Trump and a secret society and more likely shit just got lost? I didn't mean to use it as a the reason the texts were lost, I was just offering another possible option.

Maybe the guys did want to cover up the fact they had a relationship and deleted their texts because of that? I don't know. That may be more likely than a vast conspiracy against Trump. Also, aren't the FBI agents in question removed from the Mueller probe as soon as this was found out? So, maybe they already received their punishment in some form? I don't know. 

 

I don't know either, I'd like to wait for the facts, but it does seem pretty shady those texts happened to be lost right when Mueller began his investigation.  Just like it was shady that Clinton met with Lynch on the tarmac, comey already made his decision on hillary prior to speaking to her, etc etc.  I don't blame anyone from raising their eyebrows at that shit.  The Government has a history of being sketchy as fuck and I think it's much better that everyone questions the Government instead of taking their word for everything.  They need to be held accountable, period.  

Overall though my main point is "losing" important documents is inexcusable.  Show me a private business that let's shit like that get away and I will show you a business that is close to death. 

Time after time in the real world, businesses and those running businesses are held accountable (personally), civilly and criminally, for shady actions, negligence, hiding evidence, obstructing justice etc..etc..... ----- Enron, BP, VW, Wells Fargo, Davita Healthcare, and on and on and on ...............and yet, when it happens at the highest levels of government, and in this case the most trusted institutions, it is swept under the carpet.  This shit has to change.

posted by like_that

Overall though my main point is "losing" important documents is inexcusable.  Show me a private business that let's shit like that get away and I will show you a business that is close to death. 

Someone found the texts, which begs the follow-up question of how hard they were looking to find the missing texts in the first place.  So you conveniently lost them, then you conveniently couldn't find them....

Then you have the IRS....and you have to wonder if low-level staffers weren't threatened in some way to destroy/lose records.

Becoming pretty clear that these govt entities can't be trusted to maintain their own records.  Of course, the NSA probably is sweeping all that up (along with everything else).  But we need an independent, separate group to maintain records so that this crap can't be covered up (by being "lost").  Ironically enough, part of the justification/reasoning behind what the Obama Admin was doing with the Trump Russia stuff was that they didn't want it buried or destroyed.  So right there you have people from the Obama Admin claiming it can be done...and it looks like they did that in several cases, themselves.

FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe was ‘removed’ from his post as the bureau’s second-in-command, Fox News has learned

More on this: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/29/fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-removed-from-bureau.html

“This story gives a glimpse into how that original Russia narrative may have been spread around to overly compliant journalists and other members of the “resistance.””

http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/29/new-book-mccabe-initiated-white-house-meeting-that-led-to-leak/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/29/fbis-mccabe-now-stepping-down-suspected-in-leak-against-white-house.html

wow

A memo is coming!  A memois coming!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/30/fbi-officials-review-surveillance-memo-could-not-cite-any-factual-inaccuracies-source.html

Thank you, Mr. Nunes; glad somebody has the balls in DC to expose the corruption.

this memo is going to haunt the left in 2018 and 2020....if you are running against any of them that were complicent in the cover up (which they all are since they voted to hide the memo) it wont be hard to play the corruption charge

posted by Spock

this memo is going to haunt the left in 2018 and 2020....if you are running against any of them that were complicent in the cover up (which they all are since they voted to hide the memo) it wont be hard to play the corruption charge

We might be entering a new era in partisan politics unbecoming.  You have the Repubs making strong accusations against the DOJ, and then you have Dems basically calling them liars and contriving a cover-up.

I'm inclined to believe the Repubs, because it sounds like a lot of this are the bombshells the media dismissed and ignored, but made many of us go "something's fishy here".  But without presenting evidence, much less a smoking gun, this will just drive a bigger wedge between the useful idiots on both sides.

posted by Spock

this memo is going to haunt the left in 2018 and 2020....if you are running against any of them that were complicent in the cover up (which they all are since they voted to hide the memo) it wont be hard to play the corruption charge

I doubt it. The 24 hour news cycle won't allow it. By November voters will focus on the new and shiny thing or the fact that DC is still a swamp and both sides cannot work fucking together. 

I'll wait to read the thing if it is released before I draw any judgement. If it does not reveal sources and methods then great. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I doubt it. The 24 hour news cycle won't allow it. By November voters will focus on the new and shiny thing or the fact that DC is still a swamp and both sides cannot work fucking together. 

I'll wait to read the thing if it is released before I draw any judgement. If it does not reveal sources and methods then great. 

Pretty much this.  A tweet from Trump would overshadow anything.  I am not joining the hype train though.  I have seen a lot of this "bombshell is coming" shit on both ends for the past 4 years and nothing comes out of it. 

posted by like_that

Pretty much this.  A tweet from Trump would overshadow anything.  I am not joining the hype train though.  I have seen a lot of this "bombshell is coming" shit on both ends for the past 4 years and nothing comes out of it. 

True.  But it appears to be damaging enough that Dems are writing their own memo (which they most likely will then have to leak) in rebuttal.

Mueller does not appear to be investigating Russia collusion.  But the Dems need that distraction, and they need the pretense of impeachment to carry them thru 2018.  And many people feel the memo might lead to calls to end the investigation, hence much Dem butthurt.

posted by gut

True.  But it appears to be damaging enough that Dems are writing their own memo (which they most likely will then have to leak) in rebuttal.

Mueller does not appear to be investigating Russia collusion.  But the Dems need that distraction, and they need the pretense of impeachment to carry them thru 2018.  And many people feel the memo might lead to calls to end the investigation, hence much Dem butthurt.

It's becoming pretty clear the investigation is no longer about Russia collusion.

posted by like_that

It's becoming pretty clear the investigation is no longer about Russia collusion.

It's going to be a real riot watching calls for impeachment over obstructing a sham investigation.

posted by like_that

It's becoming pretty clear the investigation is no longer about Russia collusion.

It never was.

https://politics.theonion.com/fbi-warns-republican-memo-could-undermine-faith-in-mass-1822639681