The Kavanaugh saga


QuakerOats Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 4, 2018 4:19 PM

 

Might the abuse and trauma Ford has endured under the wholly mismanaged and disgraceful tactics employed by Feinstein et.al. exceed that which she may have suffered in ’82?

Spock Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 4, 2018 4:23 PM

This is old news by next week.  Selective outrage by the left has already shifted to Trump and his taxes.

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Thu, Oct 4, 2018 4:36 PM

 

Yet another old hit piece, re-wrapped for peddling again.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Thu, Oct 4, 2018 7:39 PM

I’m still kinda worried about Flake and the other 3. One dem they thought might flip already said no. But there is a W Va possibly. Also saw a teeet where a Montana guy has to be at a wedding Saturday for his daughter, not sure how that effects the vote (could be fake news)

fish82 Senior Member
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 8:25 AM

FBI report included text messages from Monica McClean to Leyland Keyser, asking Keyser to "clarify her statement."

Not the best of looks for Ms. McClean. Again.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 8:38 AM
posted by fish82

FBI report included text messages from Monica McClean to Leyland Keyser, asking Keyser to "clarify her statement."

Not the best of looks for Ms. McClean. Again.

They also hinted at other communications between Ford and Feinstein and that Hawaii moron.

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 9:19 AM

So, my hyperbolic question would be: Will Carolyn Bryant be giggling in hell or rolling in her grave?

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 10:53 AM

Cloture vote passes 51-49, Manchin Yes, Murkowski No.

 

Seems to me that all Senators who are on record of having made up their minds should have cast a yes vote.

gut Senior Member
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 11:10 AM
posted by queencitybuckeye

Cloture vote passes 51-49, Manchin Yes, Murkowski No.

Seems to me that all Senators who are on record of having made up their minds should have cast a yes vote.

The odd thing about that is if Cloture fails, often the Speaker will withdraw the bill, which results in no voting record on the measure.  So people can't say "you voted against this" and the response would be "no, I voted against ending debate because I thought key issues needed resolved".

gut Senior Member
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 11:13 AM

Sad part is, the confirmation is only in doubt after questions come up about his "temperament" and drinking....which only came up from his responses to a blatant smear attempt. 

Had it been handled confidentially in the initial FBI check, as it should have been, it's dismissed as completely uncorroborated and none of the above comes up.  The way Feinstein played this was nothing but a hail mary hoping to flip 2 Republican votes for whatever reason they could manufacture.

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 11:28 AM

The other sad part is that while important, his confirmation or his failure to be confirmed is nowhere in the same galaxy as the perceived importance everyone has worked themselves into a lather over. It's not like the court is going to become some sort of right-wing politburo voting to end abortion and further curtail the 4th amendment. They will continue to rule on cases, most very narrowly.

Sen. Sasse had it right, this is only a big deal because one branch completely refuses to do their job, his branch.

 

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 11:33 AM
posted by QuakerOats

Might the abuse and trauma Ford has endured under the wholly mismanaged and disgraceful tactics employed by Feinstein et.al. exceed that which she may have suffered in ’82?

No way.  While I think her story was hijacked and turned into a monstrosity, I do think she was sexually assaulted.  Even with the vagueness of the questions in the polygraph, that much appeared to come through, and I'm not sure even the exploitation of such a traumatic event would be as bad as the actual event.

Maybe I'm wrong.  I've never experienced it, so I don't have an existential knowledge of that sort of experience, but after having experienced both, I can't imagine her choosing the actual event over someone else exploiting her event for political gain.
 

posted by gut

Sad part is, the confirmation is only in doubt after questions come up about his "temperament" and drinking....which only came up from his responses to a blatant smear attempt. 

Here's the thing about this, too:  We HAVE precedent on how he conducts himself professionally.  The Bar Association rated him well-qualified in 2003, when he was first nominated as a prospective federal judge.  He has spent 12 years as a federal judge, and while he's not been the most liked, his temperament and ability to conduct himself in the court room was never an issue.  Moreover, he seems to be fairly averse to legislating from the bench, which is a plus.

He's a fairly partisan judge (he's not alone in that regard), and I find some of his seeming policies highly problematic, but bringing up his temperament or any problem with his drinking is without foundation, based on the last 12 years of him acting as a federal judge, so it blows my mind that people are even trying to use that as ammunition to sway the vote.

 

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 12:18 PM

Murkowski a no, Flake a yes (for now). Collins and Manchin haven't said. I think their is a D from Tennessee that said he might vote yes too.

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 12:27 PM

I just saw that Manchin is very likely a yes.

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 12:34 PM
posted by iclfan2

Murkowski a no, Flake a yes (for now). Collins and Manchin haven't said. I think their is a D from Tennessee that said he might vote yes too.

Both senators from Tennessee are Republican.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 12:46 PM
posted by queencitybuckeye

Both senators from Tennessee are Republican.

Not sure what I saw then. Thanks for clearing that up.

gut Senior Member
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 12:56 PM
posted by O-Trap

... based on the last 12 years of him acting as a federal judge, so it blows my mind that people are even trying to use that as ammunition to sway the vote.

I'm getting disgusted with politics....hard to have a rational, objective conversation with people who have no interest in independent thought.  Many people are 100% convinced of whatever the Dems and their media are selling (goes both ways, but your position is unambiguously absolutely correct here....great example of how blindly partisan people have become).

Perhaps it's a small victory that most are not saying he should be rejected because of a completely unsubstantiated allegation.  That was a dangerous new standard we were flirting with.

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 3:21 PM
posted by gut

I'm getting disgusted with politics....hard to have a rational, objective conversation with people who have no interest in independent thought.  Many people are 100% convinced of whatever the Dems and their media are selling (goes both ways, but your position is unambiguously absolutely correct here....great example of how blindly partisan people have become).

GETTING disgusted? Did you miss the last 13 years or so? This is definitely the lowest point but it's been on this path for a long time. When a side is wearing pussy hats, or instead of rape allegations are calling for the non confirmation of a judge bc of drinking in HS, you've reached the point of no return. Not to mention when the media is blatantly trying to mislead the public and most of the public is to stupid to not see it. Hundreds of thousands of retweets on articles that are completely wrong, and then the tweet fixing it gets 100. I truly believe that misinformation to the uneducated/ gullible public has played a large part into where we are.

justincredible Honorable Admin
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 3:58 PM

I'm seeing Collins and Manchin are both a yes vote on Kav.

Source: https://twitter.com/UnbiasedAmerica

majorspark Senior Member
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Fri, Oct 5, 2018 4:00 PM
posted by justincredible

I'm seeing Collins and Manchin are both a yes vote on Kav.

Source: https://twitter.com/UnbiasedAmerica

Manchin has no balls.

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