My fiance and her friends are Irate. If this is an indicator of how 30 somethings in the burbs are feeling around the country, I dont think things are going to go well in the swing states for the GOP. Some in her group are/were staunch trump gop supporters, and even they are in a frenzy. I dont think they actually thought Roe Vs. Wade was ever really under threat. I don't see how this ends well.
I hate the premise that a ruling from our highest court in the land can be overturned because someone died and an equal replaced them. An overturn should come from a higher court on a lower, which cannot happen in the Supreme Court.
If you want a new ruling, make a new law. But the highest court in our land has already interpreted the law as it was written.
posted by Laley23I hate the premise that a ruling from our highest court in the land can be overturned because someone died and an equal replaced them. An overturn should come from a higher court on a lower, which cannot happen in the Supreme Court.
If you want a new ruling, make a new law. But the highest court in our land has already interpreted the law as it was written.
There are times (not this time) where decisions were SO bad that they must be reexamined and overturned.
My wife is also pretty angry about it. The Texas law does not allow a carve out for rape, incest, or health of the mother after 6 weeks. The fact that anyone can also report or sue a clinic is also pretty radical. In theory, you could have a family member report someone for it.
My wife pretty much cannot have children as it would be a very hard pregnancy. She has been told this by her doctors for years. In Texas, if she is pregnant after 6 weeks, welp, she is in trouble.
I am really expecting Ohio to pass another measure that will be similar to Texas now.
I think most people are against blanket abortions, but the polling has been pretty consistent from years, that people are in favor of carve out exceptions for rape, incest, or health of the mother. The Texas law does away with that.
posted by Laley23I hate the premise that a ruling from our highest court in the land can be overturned because someone died and an equal replaced them. An overturn should come from a higher court on a lower, which cannot happen in the Supreme Court.
If you want a new ruling, make a new law. But the highest court in our land has already interpreted the law as it was written.
The shadow docket, which I did not know was a thing, is apparently the larger issue. It is good to know the court can just decide, nope, not going to take up the case without any discussion or arguments.
posted by queencitybuckeyeThere are times (not this time) where decisions were SO bad that they must be reexamined and overturned.
I agree. But a slippery slope. The most important court and judges in the world make a ruling on something -- just seems REALLY dangerous to have those decisions overturned once they are gone.
It will probably get overturned. Most abortions are by choice, not incest/ rape. Shouldn’t be using abortion as birth control. It’s really easy to not get pregnant.
That said, as a proponent of limited government, as long as it is privately funded I think the law is too “big government”.
posted by iclfan2It will probably get overturned. Most abortions are by choice, not incest/ rape. Shouldn’t be using abortion as birth control. It’s really easy to not get pregnant.
That said, as a proponent of limited government, as long as it is privately funded I think the law is too “big government”.
Make the man 100% responsible for financially caring for the kid and the law will be altered to allow abortions at 9 months.
I'd say "don't get your panties in a bunch" [pun intended] until the SCOTUS rules on the upcoming Mississippi abortion case.
The TX law is really messed up, and diabolically skirts Roe v. Wade. But a broad ruling could end this debate once and for all.
So while people were surprised they didn't hear the TX case, I'm not sure that decision is indicative that they plan to overturn Roe v Wade. We do know how the 3 liberal justices will vote, likely joined by Roberts, and I believe at least Kavanaugh and Gorsuch indicated they view Roe v. Wade as settled case law.
posted by ptown_trojans_1I don't believe that's correct, certainly not with regard to the health of the mother. It's estimated that 85% of abortions would be outlawed, so I'm guessing that covers most of exceptions you mention.The Texas law does not allow a carve out for rape, incest, or health of the mother after 6 weeks.
posted by gutI'd say "don't get your panties in a bunch" [pun intended] until the SCOTUS rules on the upcoming Mississippi abortion case.
The TX law is really messed up, and diabolically skirts Roe v. Wade. But a broad ruling could end this debate once and for all.
So while people were surprised they didn't hear the TX case, I'm not sure that decision is indicative that they plan to overturn Roe v Wade. We do know how the 3 liberal justices will vote, likely joined by Roberts, and I believe at least Kavanaugh and Gorsuch indicated they view Roe v. Wade as settled case law.
The pearl clutching is media and politically driven. From my understanding the ruling is just saying the law is not settled yet in Texas. They have courts as well. Do we really want people to run straight to the SCOTUS before the ink is even dry from a governor's signature.
Like you said they are already taking up the Mississippi case. Pelosi is already promising legislation.
posted by gut
I don't believe that's correct, certainly not with regard to the health of the mother. It's estimated that 85% of abortions would be outlawed, so I'm guessing that covers most of exceptions you mention.
I read that there is an exemption for medical emergencies. I don't have the time to go read the raw text of the law to see what constitutes a "medical emergency".
posted by Laley23Make the man 100% responsible for financially caring for the kid and the law will be altered to allow abortions at 9 months.
Men already are...
Women can choose to not be a mother even after getting pregnant (Texas law aside).
Men can not choose not to be a father once the woman is pregnant. Its 100% up to the woman and even if the man doesn't want to be a father he is 100% responsible for child support, in every state, for 18 years.
Let's be honest, no matter if you are for or against abortion, as it stands right now women have a choice with regards to being a mother or not even once pregnant (not withstanding this law) and men do not. They are financially responsible even if they don't want to be.
posted by Laley23I agree. But a slippery slope. The most important court and judges in the world make a ruling on something -- just seems REALLY dangerous to have those decisions overturned once they are gone.
I agree it should be EXTREMELY rare.
Health of the woman is accounted for. I agree that rape and incest should be exempted, but they account for less than 1.5 % of all abortions. Most are birth control by people who are capable of taking necessary precautions if they so decide.
Glad my mother didn't decide she was "just not ready to be a mom".
No birth control is 100 Percent. I know two people who got pregnant on the pill. One was my mother. My father also had a vasectomy that didnt work.. One of these children we call Micah and the other is Winston.
posted by geeblockNo birth control is 100 Percent. I know two people who got pregnant on the pill. One was my mother. My father also had a vasectomy that didnt work.. One of these children we call Micah and the other is Winston.
Glad they have names are are living and loved. No birth control is 100%, that is right. But I doubt the vast majority of abortions are because the properly taken precautions just didn't work out.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieGlad they have names are are living and loved. No birth control is 100%, that is right. But I doubt the vast majority of abortions are because the properly taken precautions just didn't work out.
it certainly isnt the vast majority but the fact that it can happen is enough to make this law trash imo.
posted by geeblockit certainly isnt the vast majority but the fact that it can happen is enough to make this law trash imo.
Fair enough
posted by geeblockNo birth control is 100 Percent. I know two people who got pregnant on the pill. One was my mother. My father also had a vasectomy that didnt work.. One of these children we call Micah and the other is Winston.
Even with birth control every adult understands that having a child is a possible outcome/consequence of having sex.
Abortion shouldn’t be used as “oops” birth control.
Did read today that lots of people are flooding the website for narcs concerning this law with all sorts of fake tips and such. Considering it's presumably a governmental group in charge of all this, odds are they'll never be able to rub together enough brain cells to overcome rampant trolling, which is, as always, funny as hell.
