posted by gutI don't know. Seems like Desantis is doing awfully well with minorities in Florida.
I haven't followed Desantis super closely, but a lot of the country thinks he's a MAGA idiot because they only know him through the lens of CNN/NYT. I think he's going to do very well with moderates once they see him on the campaign trail and in debates.
He comes off as kind of "MAGA-lite". He's also worlds smarter than Trump.
posted by queencitybuckeyeHe comes off as kind of "MAGA-lite". He's also worlds smarter than Trump.
I think that's why he will do well. A lot of Trump's policies continue to be popular, but Desantis can sell those without coming across as a 3rd grade idiot.
He is very smart, but also very fake (like a lot of politicians). I don't know who the real Desantis is, but I'm pretty sure this MAGA-lite version is an act or persona that he saw resonating for a Presidential run.
I wonder how many thousands of [more] times the liberal media is going to say "Desantis is smarter than Trump, and that's what makes him so much more dangerous..."
posted by justincredibleDeSantis is an absolute slam dunk so of course it's going to be Trump.
Probably come down to when/if the lesser names (Pence? Pompeo? Lol!) drop out. Trump will have control of the crazy conspiracy-theory loving goofballs and while I don't think that's enough to win the nomination, if the sane people are split between multiple candidates, that leaves him with a good opportunity for his nut-job base to carry him through.
posted by HereticProbably come down to when/if the lesser names (Pence? Pompeo? Lol!) drop out. Trump will have control of the crazy conspiracy-theory loving goofballs and while I don't think that's enough to win the nomination, if the sane people are split between multiple candidates, that leaves him with a good opportunity for his nut-job base to carry him through.
Pompeo might surprise [very] moderately. But I don't see either Pence or Pompeo moving the needle before they drop out.
But even two strong candidates, like Desantis and possibly Haley, splitting the vote might be enough for Trump to win the nomination.
Noem and Youngkin could also grab enough votes to make Trump inevitable. Past losers like Christy and Cruz just need to stay the hell out. I assume Pence is not running to be VP again, so you wonder why bother? It takes a special kind of narcissistic psychopath to still run when you have absolutely no chance of even being relevant.
I think Trump declared so early hoping to basically freeze out other candidates by siphoning up all the big donors. But apparently the big money is not supporting him.
posted by HereticProbably come down to when/if the lesser names (Pence? Pompeo? Lol!) drop out. Trump will have control of the crazy conspiracy-theory loving goofballs and while I don't think that's enough to win the nomination, if the sane people are split between multiple candidates, that leaves him with a good opportunity for his nut-job base to carry him through.
Trump will for sure win because if Pence gets 5% it'll be 5% from DeSantis, not Trump. if enough dummies run that's what'll happen and Trump wins. The only way someone else beats Trump (and i'm not sure any of the current crop can) is if it's 1 on 1 from the jump.
I stand by what i said. I'll vote democrat if Trump is the nominee. For Fuck's Sake I just had to choose between a socialist and a January 6th Full Q retard for governor and a corpse vs a TV Dr Grift expert for senator in this election. NO MORE LESSER EVIL. If i get shitty options i'll just choose the shittiest. if we have to burn it down i'd rather it burn quickly than using a 10pound fire extinguisher on a 2 alarm fire.
I think a very real possibility is that Trump loses the Primary, but obviously doesn't accept it. Spews hate to the winner (DeSantis) which makes a portion of his base turn on him and abstain, or write-in Trump. Either way, I would project the Democratic nominee to win in a landslide again.
posted by HereticProbably come down to when/if the lesser names (Pence? Pompeo? Lol!) drop out. Trump will have control of the crazy conspiracy-theory loving goofballs and while I don't think that's enough to win the nomination, if the sane people are split between multiple candidates, that leaves him with a good opportunity for his nut-job base to carry him through.
People forget that Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich ate each other for like the first 30 primaries. If 1 or 2 of them would've dropped trump would never had the lead he had going away.
posted by Laley23I think a very real possibility is that Trump loses the Primary, but obviously doesn't accept it. Spews hate to the winner (DeSantis) which makes a portion of his base turn on him and abstain, or write-in Trump. Either way, I would project the Democratic nominee to win in a landslide again.
Or he runs as an independent…
posted by Laley23I think a very real possibility is that Trump loses the Primary, but obviously doesn't accept it. Spews hate to the winner (DeSantis) which makes a portion of his base turn on him and abstain, or write-in Trump. Either way, I would project the Democratic nominee to win in a landslide again.
If he loses the primary, will he still go with the stolen election theme?
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieIf he loses the primary, will he still go with the stolen election theme?
If it's a landslide against him, he wouldn't because he wouldn't have a leg to stand on with that argument. But in the more likely case that it's at least reasonably close, he'll have some conspiracy as to how because he operates on the belief of "ME FAIL SOMETHING? THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE!"
I read today that House Dems are trying to make it so Trump can't run in 2024. That's beyond stupid.
posted by supermanI read today that House Dems are trying to make it so Trump can't run in 2024. That's beyond stupid.
Agreed.
posted by supermanI read today that House Dems are trying to make it so Trump can't run in 2024. That's beyond stupid.
Really stupid. Unless the Rs are all running a really good con game together, Trump's presence is more likely to create a big rift in the party between the MAGAs and the non-MAGAs that the Ds could actually potentially exploit if they could rise above their usual brain-dead approach to strategy.
But if they try this, there are really two options that will boil down to one option. 1. This thing somehow succeeds and the Rs retaliate by playing the "Progressive D agenda is to eliminate anyone who opposes them from even running for office under any trumped up (no pun intended) rationalization they can come up with", unifying behind DeSantis and likely wind up dominating OR 2. This thing fails and the Rs play the "Progressive D agenda is to eliminate anyone who opposes them from even running for office under any trumped up (no pun intended) rationalization they can come up with" and also wind up dominating, regardless of who gets the nomination.
But that's politics today. You have two parties who are determined to cater to their core, while ignoring the really large segment of people who are more moderate/independent and don't base their entire everything on one party. And then wonder just why they never gain traction because they aren't bright enough to realize that when they use their power to cater to their base, they're probably driving away a lot of the moderates who were the reason they got into power (because those moderates got pissed at the other party for catering to their base too much).
There's pretending to keep Trump from running, and there's actually doing it.
This is intended purely to keep TDS front and center, and Democracy itself is at stake if everyone doesn't work together to stop him!
I think there were a lot of factors in the midterm election, but I'm sure "Democracy is under threat!!!" played some role. Which means they'll keep going back to that well, for decades, even long after Trump is gone.
posted by supermanI read today that House Dems are trying to make it so Trump can't run in 2024. That's beyond stupid.
I don’t believe that at all. They want him to run bc they know they’ll clean up. Just like they spent money to get Trump backed people elected, they know the end goal
posted by gutThere's pretending to keep Trump from running, and there's actually doing it.
This is intended purely to keep TDS front and center, and Democracy itself is at stake if everyone doesn't work together to stop him!
I think there were a lot of factors in the midterm election, but I'm sure "Democracy is under threat!!!" played some role. Which means they'll keep going back to that well, for decades, even long after Trump is gone.
They both use this same stuff: democracy is under threat (D) or (R) libs will permanently ruin our country (R). Nothing new.
posted by Dr Winston O'BoogieThey both use this same stuff: democracy is under threat (D) or (R) libs will permanently ruin our country (R). Nothing new.
But even though the Repubs are going to "destroy Democracy", oddly enough it's the Dems that have literally opened HUNDREDS of investigations into the former leader of the opposition party (over 5 dozen from one NY prosecutor alone). In addition to seeking to pack the courts, ending the "Jim Crow" filibuster, eliminating the electoral college...
Seems like the "merit" behinds these partisan attacks is pretty one-sided, you know like open borders and no limits on abortion.
And, you know, Libertarians are "right wingers", so that pretty much says it all about which party's bullshit runs deeper.
posted by gutThere's pretending to keep Trump from running, and there's actually doing it.
This is intended purely to keep TDS front and center, and Democracy itself is at stake if everyone doesn't work together to stop him!
I think there were a lot of factors in the midterm election, but I'm sure "Democracy is under threat!!!" played some role. Which means they'll keep going back to that well, for decades, even long after Trump is gone.
If they can get millions of stupid people to believe that the other millions of regular, freedom-loving people who get up everyday and go to work and pay taxes are radical extremists, why not keep going back to that well.
posted by QuakerOats
If they can get millions of stupid people to believe that the other millions of regular, freedom-loving people who get up everyday and go to work and pay taxes are radical extremists, why not keep going back to that well.
I mean.. they got you to believe that only you get up and go to work and pay your taxes and everyone who doesn't think like you are sitting at home and waiting for handouts.. so anything is possible.
posted by kizer permanenteI mean.. they got you to believe that only you get up and go to work and pay your taxes and everyone who doesn't think like you are sitting at home and waiting for handouts.. so anything is possible.
I just love the irony of the guy whose entire identity is his political stance to the degree that the other side is "the enemy" and who parrots virtually every right-wing talking point saying that people who vote/believe differently than him are the "stupid people".
