Sugar taxes

ernest_t_bass 12th Son of the Lama
26,698 posts 199 reps Joined Nov 2009
Fri, Jan 5, 2018 2:56 PM
posted by O-Trap

How is it different?

 

I don't like any of them. 

O-Trap Chief Shenanigans Officer
18,909 posts 140 reps Joined Nov 2009
Fri, Jan 5, 2018 4:15 PM
posted by justincredible

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/22/philadelphias-soda-tax-isnt-the-windfall-some-had-hoped-for.html

Philly's tax is not going as well as hoped.

Color me shocked and amazed.

posted by ernest_t_bass

 

I don't like any of them. 

I see.  I misunderstood.  I thought you were denying his statement.

 

Heretic Son of the Sun
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Fri, Jan 5, 2018 5:32 PM
posted by gut

Not surprising.  You see that pretty much anywhere it's relatively "convenient" to travel 20-30 miles to get a better price.

What's disgusting is the BS given about this being for "health".  Such a tax is not effective on the local level (see above) at discouraging use, and as far as health that's a state cost - the state should be assessing and collecting it statewide to help subsidize health costs.

This is nothing more than big gubmit cities (almost always pretty liberal cities) looking for new tax revenues to fund their monstrous budget shortfalls. 

Question: How many of those big cities looking for new tax revenues are doing so in order to fund arenas/stadiums for pro sports teams because the billionaires owning them want fancy new digs (or they're threatening to move the team, taking away all the revenue/jobs they provide, particularly in the service industry), but want everyone else in the area to actually foot most of the bill? Just because I know the "sin tax" in Cleveland is based around their sports teams and their arenas/stadiums.

gut Senior Member
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Fri, Jan 5, 2018 5:51 PM
posted by Heretic

Question: How many of those big cities looking for new tax revenues are doing so in order to fund arenas/stadiums for pro sports teams because the billionaires owning them want fancy new digs (or they're threatening to move the team, taking away all the revenue/jobs they provide, particularly in the service industry), but want everyone else in the area to actually foot most of the bill? Just because I know the "sin tax" in Cleveland is based around their sports teams and their arenas/stadiums.

That's sort of a separate issue.  It's really just about getting more tax revenues to spend, and it's no secret your liberal cities tend to have the biggest addiction to public spending (and cushy union pensions).

friendfromlowry Senior Member
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Fri, Jan 5, 2018 8:36 PM
posted by O-Trap

 

As I recall, diabetes complications kill more people each year than any effects from tobacco or alcohol.

Explain this one to me. Cancer is the second leading cause of death and lung cancer is the most common. How do you get lung cancer? A small percentage get it environmentally, but by and large it's from smoking. 

gut Senior Member
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Fri, Jan 5, 2018 10:16 PM
posted by friendfromlowry

Explain this one to me. Cancer is the second leading cause of death and lung cancer is the most common. How do you get lung cancer? A small percentage get it environmentally, but by and large it's from smoking. 

It's hard to pin down how many deaths are attributable indirectly to diabetes and obesity (i.e. a good number of heart and stroke-related deaths are), but some estimates put DIRECT deaths third behind heart disease and cancer....and so it could quite possibly be number one if we could calculate the indirect contributory causes.

And while lung cancer is maybe 75% of all cancer deaths probably only half of those cases are attributable to tobacco (a lot of people who never smoked get cancer, even lung cancer).

Also, we can argue a good number of people abusing tobacco and alcohol are obese, and also have diabetes.  So the risks are confounded.  However, there's definitely a case that obesity and diabetes cause more deaths than tobacco and alcohol.  And I'm pretty sure without the tobacco and alcohol those people will still be obese and diabetic.

friendfromlowry Senior Member
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Fri, Jan 5, 2018 10:36 PM
posted by gut

It's hard to pin down how many deaths are attributable indirectly to diabetes and obesity (i.e. a good number of heart and stroke-related deaths are), but some estimates put DIRECT deaths third behind heart disease and cancer....and so it could quite possibly be number one if we could calculate the indirect contributory causes.

And while lung cancer is maybe 75% of all cancer deaths probably only half of those cases are attributable to tobacco (a lot of people who never smoked get cancer, even lung cancer).

Also, we can argue a good number of people abusing tobacco and alcohol are obese, and also have diabetes.  So the risks are confounded.  However, there's definitely a case that obesity and diabetes cause more deaths than tobacco and alcohol.  And I'm pretty sure without the tobacco and alcohol those people will still be obese and diabetic.

Link?

MontyBrunswick Senior Member
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Fri, Jan 5, 2018 11:16 PM
posted by gut

It's hard to pin down how many deaths are attributable indirectly to diabetes and obesity

conversely, it's hard to pin down how many people are diabetic and/or overweight due to excessive sugar consumption. there's other factors at hand. 

by your logic, we should also tax foods that contain excessive salt because it leads to high blood pressure. 

gut Senior Member
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Fri, Jan 5, 2018 11:35 PM
posted by friendfromlowry

Link?

Stop being an ignorant retard and GOOGLE

Granted, this will require multiple google searches and intelligent reading to understand how many deaths should be attributed to tobacco use.  But if you care not to be stupid, you can probably do it.

gut Senior Member
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Fri, Jan 5, 2018 11:36 PM
posted by MontyBrunswick

by your logic, we should also tax foods that contain excessive salt because it leads to high blood pressure. 

There is not conclusive research linking dietary sodium and high blood pressure.

Try again.

friendfromlowry Senior Member
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Fri, Jan 5, 2018 11:42 PM
posted by gut

Stop being an ignorant retard and GOOGLE


I know it's not fucking half. I was waiting to see if you could back up your shit spewing but you can't. I don't make it to the politics forum much but is this your thing to do? 

http://healthdarts.com/non-smoking-or-secondhand-smoke-lung-cancer-causes/ (83%)

https://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/lung-cancer-causes#1 (90%)

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/lung-cancer/risks-causes (80%)

http://www.lung.org/lung-health-and-diseases/lung-disease-lookup/lung-cancer/learn-about-lung-cancer/what-is-lung-cancer/what-causes-lung-cancer.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/ (90%)

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=53012 (90%)

https://www.emedicinehealth.com/lung_cancer/page2_em.htm (90%) 

Tell me more about how it's probably only half, though. 

MontyBrunswick Senior Member
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Sat, Jan 6, 2018 12:38 AM
posted by gut

There is not conclusive research linking dietary sodium and high blood pressure.

Try again.

How is dietary sodium different from regular sodium, which is often used as a preservative in foods?

Try again. 

Verbal Kint Senior Member
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Sat, Jan 6, 2018 11:38 AM
posted by Spock

Taxing a nutrient dense food like gatorade (milk has sugar in it also, they gonna tax that?)  is stupid.

 

Jesus.  You are a health educator and don't know gatorade is nothing but sugar water?

 

Verbal Kint Senior Member
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Sat, Jan 6, 2018 11:41 AM
posted by gut

....and so it could quite possibly be number one if we could calculate the indirect contributory causes.

 

I agree with this theory.  Not sure how to prove except walk through Walmart and see all the type2 on scooters.

 

Spock Senior Member
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Sat, Jan 6, 2018 11:59 AM
posted by Verbal Kint

 

Jesus.  You are a health educator and don't know gatorade is nothing but sugar water?

 

you are an idiot if you dont unerstand that there are electrolytes in it and also the sugar to fluid concetration is at the proper % to allow for absorbtion without a large insulin response.  Not to mention the type of sugars used.

I am not going to explain any further to you or anyone else if you think I am stupid.  Just keep drinking powerade you idiot.

Verbal Kint Senior Member
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Sat, Jan 6, 2018 12:30 PM
posted by Spock

you are an idiot if you dont unerstand that there are electrolytes in it and also the sugar to fluid concetration is at the proper % to allow for absorbtion without a large insulin response.  Not to mention the type of sugars used.

I am not going to explain any further to you or anyone else if you think I am stupid.  Just keep drinking powerade you idiot.

This is awesome.  Liquid absorption of sugar is the worst.  Type of sugar?  I only drink water, black coffee unless I know I am harming my body with alcohol infrequently.  Tell me more.

MontyBrunswick Senior Member
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Sat, Jan 6, 2018 1:14 PM
posted by Spock

you are an idiot if you dont unerstand that there are electrolytes in it and also the sugar to fluid concetration is at the proper % to allow for absorbtion without a large insulin response.  Not to mention the type of sugars used.

I am not going to explain any further to you or anyone else if you think I am stupid.  Just keep drinking powerade you idiot.

 

posted by justincredible

 

Spock Senior Member
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Sat, Jan 6, 2018 1:16 PM
posted by Verbal Kint

This is awesome.  Liquid absorption of sugar is the worst.  Type of sugar?  I only drink water, black coffee unless I know I am harming my body with alcohol infrequently.  Tell me more.

Good for you.  I am sure with your lack of high intensity exercise.....you don't need to worry about what Gatorade does.  Thanks for playing along.

Verbal Kint Senior Member
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Sat, Jan 6, 2018 1:54 PM
posted by Spock

Good for you.  I am sure with your lack of high intensity exercise.....you don't need to worry about what Gatorade does.  Thanks for playing along.

 

I'm good with water post and EVOO prior, thanks.  

gut Senior Member
18,369 posts 93 reps Joined Nov 2009
Sat, Jan 6, 2018 11:14 PM
posted by MontyBrunswick

How is dietary sodium different from regular sodium, which is often used as a preservative in foods?

Try again. 

My god this is proof you are retarded

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