Progressives, part 3...

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/martin-luther-king-jr-s-turn.php

A lot of streets need to be re-named.

posted by QuakerOats

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/05/martin-luther-king-jr-s-turn.php

 

A lot of streets need to be re-named.

 

 

LOL. 

Yes, because now King is now equal or worse than the traitors that were Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. 

I forgot, if you are a democrat or black ………… MeToo# is not applicable.

posted by QuakerOats

I forgot, if you are a democrat or black ………… MeToo# is not applicable.

 

You equate the renaming of the schools and streets to Metoo. It is not. It is a false argument. 

The renaming of streets and schools is related to the rewrite the false history of the Confederacy's Lost Cause bullshit from the late 19th century through the 1960s. Lee and Jefferson Davis were traitors and do not deserve to be recognized on streets and schools. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

You equate the renaming of the schools and streets to Metoo. It is not. It is a false argument. 

The renaming of streets and schools is related to the rewrite the false history of the Confederacy's Lost Cause bullshit from the late 19th century through the 1960s. Lee and Jefferson Davis were traitors and do not deserve to be recognized on streets and schools. 

That would be accurate if people didn't say the same thing about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. I dgaf what MLK did, but it will be funny to see the defense of it.

posted by iclfan2

That would be accurate if people didn't say the same thing about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. I dgaf what MLK did, but it will be funny to see the defense of it.

Well, those people that say the same thing about GW and Jefferson are wrong. I'm limiting my views to the Confederate named items. 

And yeah I don't care what the FBI may or may not have listened to or King's private life. I also like the whole article just glosses over how the FBI illegally was listening to an American citizen for no legit reason. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Well, those people that say the same thing about GW and Jefferson are wrong. I'm limiting my views to the Confederate named items. 

And yeah I don't care what the FBI may or may not have listened to or King's private life. I also like the whole article just glosses over how the FBI illegally was listening to an American citizen for no legit reason. 

Obviously, that's not okay, and it certainly shouldn't be the sort of thing that would ever be used in legal action ...

... but if that stuff happened, I don't really think the legality of the surveillance has to be a factor in public opinion.

As for Washington and Jefferson, they joined a colonial rebellion against England.  Lee and Davis just joined a side in a civil war.  I'm not sympathetic with the South, but I think calling them traitors is a stretch (in both cases, frankly).

You know, when I started reading this article I thought it might actually be a joke.  Shame on me.

https://gizmodo.com/bias-against-female-lab-animals-is-messing-up-scientifi-1835126400

posted by gut

You know, when I started reading this article I thought it might actually be a joke.  Shame on me.

https://gizmodo.com/bias-against-female-lab-animals-is-messing-up-scientifi-1835126400

Oh FFS ...

posted by ptown_trojans_1

You equate the renaming of the schools and streets to Metoo. It is not. It is a false argument. 

The renaming of streets and schools is related to the rewrite the false history of the Confederacy's Lost Cause bullshit from the late 19th century through the 1960s. Lee and Jefferson Davis were traitors and do not deserve to be recognized on streets and schools. 

So if MLK was party to rape, the MeToo crowd, or even normal Americans, should not be outraged and re-think the naming of streets etc after him, because he was black, or a democrat, or sought civil rights etc….   is that what you are saying?

posted by ptown_trojans_1

 

The renaming of streets and schools is related to the rewrite the false history of the Confederacy's Lost Cause bullshit from the late 19th century through the 1960s. Lee and Jefferson Davis were traitors and do not deserve to be recognized on streets and schools. 

1. Technically so where the founding fathers (Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, etc), they were technically traitors, just happened to be on the winning side and the side we deem more "moral" based on our history.

2. Lee was highly conflicted and wanted to lead the Union Army during the Civil War, but ultimately he chose to be loyal to his state of Virginia. Calling him a traitor is like calling George Washington one. Jefferson Davis was a rather vile man (from what I have read), so I am not going to defend him, but Lee was for abolition, just eventual/slow abolition. He was just more loyal to his state (VERY common in the first 1700s and 1800s) than he was the United States.  He actually freed the slaves on his wife's family's land (Arlington House back then, Arlington Memorial Cemetary now) the YEAR BEFORE (1862) Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation. So while he was fighting for the Confederacy, he freed the slaves on his wife's family's land. Not exactly a "traitor" or vile human like the revisionist historians are trying to make him out to be now.

posted by jmog

Not exactly a "traitor" or vile human like the revisionist historians are trying to make him out to be now.

 

 

I don't know if it's revisionist as much as it is the race to further-left progressivism that has been infecting democrats for a long time now. 

The question is: are these people trying to catch up with the curve or create it?

I grew up with the idea that Lee was a traitor.  I think it's mostly just a case of the winners writing the history books.

Still, I don't think it's a fair assessment.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1134966028881027072

We need S&L to come back to tell us it's only a few people.  I am sure Boogie will. 

posted by like_that

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1134966028881027072

We need S&L to come back to tell us it's only a few people.  I am sure Boogie will. 

Lol. You’d think moderates like ptown would be worried about the crazy mainstream beliefs of the Democratic Party in 2019. 

posted by like_that

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1134966028881027072

We need S&L to come back to tell us it's only a few people.  I am sure Boogie will. 

Almost as bad as the booing are all the comments that agree with it.  I'd say a couple courses in economics should be mandatory, but then AOC has a degree in economics!

It seems like the new branding for socialism is "this isn't socialism....isn't what fails all over the place".  I've had this argument before that the 200 year old textbook definition of socialism is simply wrong - you don't need to actually run production when you can achieve the same outcomes thru taxation and regulation.

Taxation and regulation implicitly redistribute resources, which fundamentally IS socialism.  The degree of the former determines the degree of the latter.  I've never argued for no taxation or no regulation....but more of either DOES represent a shift away from economic freedom towards socialism.

I can't recall this ever being brought up before, maybe it has. If so , apologies!

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state-status

This has been talked about before and even tried, but failed. Now it is going again. Essentially, states are willing to give up their electoral votes in order to give them to other states in an effort to ensure that whoever wins the popular vote will also win the electoral vote. 

Most recently, Nevada has rejected it.

posted by CenterBHSFan

I can't recall this ever being brought up before, maybe it has. If so , apologies!

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state-status

This has been talked about before and even tried, but failed. Now it is going again. Essentially, states are willing to give up their electoral votes in order to give them to other states in an effort to ensure that whoever wins the popular vote will also win the electoral vote. 

Most recently, Nevada has rejected it.

 

 

It has been discussed here and there on this site.  Mostly the people who defend this don't have a grasp onto history and why we have an EC.  Liberals love to think in absolutes and the EC is a perfect example.  This is why they are currently ok with abolishing it, because they see themselves holding the popular majority for eternity.  Considering the fact that conservatives are outbreeding liberals, they should really be careful what they wish for. 

posted by like_that

It has been discussed here and there on this site.  Mostly the people who defend this don't have a grasp onto history and why we have an EC.  Liberals love to think in absolutes and the EC is a perfect example.  This is why they are currently ok with abolishing it, because they see themselves holding the popular majority for eternity.  Considering the fact that conservatives are outbreeding liberals, they should really be careful what they wish for. 

posted by like_that

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1134966028881027072

We need S&L to come back to tell us it's only a few people.  I am sure Boogie will. 

No I won’t.  There are probably a lot o socialists in CA.