Progressives, part 3...

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 10:40 AM
posted by CenterBHSFan

So I read the article. I read "Coddling of the American Mind" not long ago and it explains much of this current culture. But I guess I still don't understand why so many people see something and it speaks to them directly. They take everything like it is aimed at them personally. It's like mass hysteria mixed with paranoia with a healthy dose of vanity. I am starting to view this mindset as a mental health disorder. I can't help it.

Professor Haidt is a brilliant guy.

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 10:53 AM

Colorado state legislators are so unhinged, that they are willing to give up Colorado's representation. LOL

 

https://kdvr.com/2019/01/29/colorado-senate-passes-bill-to-essentially-eliminate-electoral-college/

queencitybuckeye Senior Member
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 11:00 AM
posted by like_that

Colorado state legislators are so unhinged, that they are willing to give up Colorado's representation. LOL

 

https://kdvr.com/2019/01/29/colorado-senate-passes-bill-to-essentially-eliminate-electoral-college/

One can commit treason against one's state. Tough to see how that might not apply here.

 

gut Senior Member
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 11:28 AM
posted by CenterBHSFan
It's like mass hysteria mixed with paranoia with a healthy dose of vanity. I am starting to view this mindset as a mental health disorder. I can't help it.

Happened to catch Jimmy Kimmel last night.  Now, remember, MANY people get their news [and views] from talking heads and late night talkshow hosts.

He was mocking Trump's "global warming" comment in response to the arctic blast hitting most of the US.  Saying "climate change IS extreme weather", as if it's a fact.  Actually, there's little to no evidence temperatures or weather-related events are more variable/extreme/common.  That's just the evolution of "global warming" after the planet stopped warming 20 years ago.  Reality is Kimmel is being just as ignorant and irresponsible as Trump here.

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 5:24 PM

https://freebeacon.com/issues/northman-on-40-week-abortion-bill-infant-would-be-delivered-and-then-a-discussion-would-ensue-between-the-physicians-and-the-mother/

 

Hard to imagine there is any greater evil.  The governor (and other fucked up liberals) advocating for first degree murder.  Lock the son of a bitch up today.

 

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 6:09 PM
posted by QuakerOats

https://freebeacon.com/issues/northman-on-40-week-abortion-bill-infant-would-be-delivered-and-then-a-discussion-would-ensue-between-the-physicians-and-the-mother/

 

Hard to imagine there is any greater evil.  The governor (and other fucked up liberals) advocating for first degree murder.  Lock the son of a bitch up today.

 

Call me "creepy" I guess, but this is absolutely despicable.

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 6:14 PM

"No woman seeks a third trimester abortion except in the case of tragic or difficult circumstances, such as a nonviable pregnancy or in the event of severe fetal abnormalities, and the governor’s comments were limited to the actions physicians would take in the event that a woman in those circumstances went into labor," Ofirah Yheskel, a spokeswoman for Northam, said. "Attempts to extrapolate these comments otherwise is in bad faith and underscores exactly why the governor believes physicians and women, not legislators, should make these difficult and deeply personal medical decisions,"

 

Just to add the edit from that article..

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 6:29 PM
posted by SportsAndLady

 

Just to add the edit from that article..

This is their spin? I don't buy that bullshit.  His comments were in reference/support of a VA state delegate proposing a bill as well as confirming that the bill allows an abortion up to minutes before birth.   That bill itself is despicable.  Especially considering most doctors agree it is safer for the women to deliver the child than abort it.  You have to deliver the child regardless, so killing it really doesn't make much medical sense. 

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 6:32 PM
posted by like_that

This is their spin? I don't buy that bullshit.  His comments were in reference/support of a VA state delegate proposing a bill as well as confirming that the bill allows an abortion up to minutes before birth.   That bill itself is despicable.  Especially considering most doctors agree it is safer for the women to deliver the child than abort it.  You have to deliver the child regardless, so killing it really doesn't make much medical sense. 

Seems pretty obvious to me that they do not want perfectly healthy babies being born and then killed. But what do I know

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 6:36 PM
posted by SportsAndLady

Seems pretty obvious to me that they do not want perfectly healthy babies being born and then killed. But what do I know

Might as well kill off RBG with this logic. 

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 7:31 PM
posted by like_that

Might as well kill off RBG with this logic. 

Are we sure she’s actually still alive (j/k CC).

The bill mentioned from Virginia which failed already, also didn’t care about the health of the baby and would have allowed it based on the mothers possible “mental health”. 

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/virginia-abortion-bill-barbaric/

gut Senior Member
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 7:38 PM

I have a suspicion that the underlying agenda here is to provoke outrage from Conservatives....for the purpose of campaigning that, if you re-elect Trump, abortion is going to become illegal.

Multiple states don't just one day wake-up and all start moving similar legislation through.

 

SportsAndLady Senior Member
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 7:53 PM
posted by gut

I have a suspicion that the underlying agenda here is to provoke outrage from Conservatives....for the purpose of campaigning that, if you re-elect Trump, abortion is going to become illegal.

Multiple states don't just one day wake-up and all start moving similar legislation through.

 

I agree. This smells political. And QO and others are falling right into it.  

Spock Senior Member
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Wed, Jan 30, 2019 9:15 PM

I would hope the people voting for these loons are having buyers remorse

bigorangebuck22 Senior Member
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Thu, Jan 31, 2019 12:54 AM
posted by gut

I have a suspicion that the underlying agenda here is to provoke outrage from Conservatives....for the purpose of campaigning that, if you re-elect Trump, abortion is going to become illegal.

Multiple states don't just one day wake-up and all start moving similar legislation through.

 

ALEC says  hello

like_that 1st Team All-PWN
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Thu, Jan 31, 2019 7:36 AM
posted by gut

I have a suspicion that the underlying agenda here is to provoke outrage from Conservatives....for the purpose of campaigning that, if you re-elect Trump, abortion is going to become illegal.

Multiple states don't just one day wake-up and all start moving similar legislation through.

 

That's modern day politics.  Everything that is done has an underlying agenda to rile up the other side.  I think the left is biting off more than they can chew with this one though.  This isn't a grey area "a fetus isn't a human!" debate.  Even most normal pro choice people aren't bullish on late term abortions. 

posted by SportsAndLady

I agree. This smells political. And QO and others are falling right into it.  

It could be, but a late term abortion bill did pass in NY, so it's a little more than just political when a law is officially in place.  
 

 

Spock Senior Member
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Thu, Jan 31, 2019 8:19 AM
posted by gut

I have a suspicion that the underlying agenda here is to provoke outrage from Conservatives....for the purpose of campaigning that, if you re-elect Trump, abortion is going to become illegal.

Multiple states don't just one day wake-up and all start moving similar legislation through.

 

Not sure if they are smart enough to have an agenda.  THe shit they are saying and doing is so far left.  If that is their political play it sucks.  There is no where for them to go.  You cant get any more radical then killing babies

iclfan2 Reppin' the 330/216/843
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Thu, Jan 31, 2019 8:35 AM
posted by SportsAndLady

I agree. This smells political. And QO and others are falling right into it.  

It could be, but a late term abortion bill did pass in NY, so it's a little more than just political when a law is officially in place.  
 

The link I posted earlier showed a May 2018 Gallup poll where only 18% of democrats thought 3rd trimester abortions should be legal. So it doesn't seem smart to turn off some of the last remaining moderates.

Essentially, the democrats just have to not be fucking crazy and Trump loses in 2020. But already starting in on banishing private insurance, up-to-birth abortions, and hating successful people doesn't seem like a great way to do it.

CenterBHSFan 333 - I'm only half evil
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Thu, Jan 31, 2019 9:06 AM
posted by iclfan2

Essentially, the democrats just have to not be fucking crazy and Trump loses in 2020. 

This.

The question is if they are able to pull themselves together enough to do it. From the looks of things, no. The answer is no.

QuakerOats Senior Member
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Thu, Jan 31, 2019 11:08 AM
posted by SportsAndLady

I agree. This smells political. And QO and others are falling right into it.  

 

There will never be hesitation in standing for life and defending the innocent unborn (and now born). 

 

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