Progressives, part 3...

Of course the legacy is performing its role. Just think about the fact that they focus so much on what they don't like Trump or what he's doing (which is fine, many of us don't) and how it's terrible that people/families are getting stopped at the border. This is the rallying cry of the people that they support. 
When was the last time they polled if people were more worried about the southern border or their paychecks and then talked about that for weeks/months at a time? 

We're supposed to worry and wring our hands so much about employees involved in the government shutdown, but when was the last time they talked about factories/mills/mines being shut down? When was the last time they focused on farmers going bankrupt? Where are all the stories of employees losing their jobs because the owner of the business can't afford to pay all of their employees $15/hour? Hint: if they are talked about it lasts about 20 seconds until commercial break.

Most of the legacy media is going further and further left because that is where the left is going. Say what you will about conservative media, but it's been relatively steady because conservatives have remained virtually stationary. There's data/polls/studies that prove this and in fact, I have linked to it before. Yet, we're supposed to be in denial of this and stay in our lanes.
 

posted by like_that

Was this the thread where Boogie was denying there is media bias, because conservatives can go to their extremely bias sources (brietbart, blaze, etc) to get their news?   If not, I am posting this here regardless. 

I mostly get my political news from realclearpolitics, because they normally give both polarizing sides to any given topic.  I highly recommend it for everyone.  At the very least you can see how ridiculous our media is, but maybe you can pick up an argument from the other side you never thought of.

I sometimes watch CNN/MSNBC just for shits and giggles to see how full retard they have gone. Here is the latest example of how boogie is living in his own world if he doesn't think there is a media bias.  Forget the anti semite rhetoric coming from democrat politicians, which is terrible, how about  Omar Llhan going on CNN and defending conspiracy theories about Lindsey Graham being a homosexual and being blackmailed to be outed?  So, now it is cool to out someone as gay as long as it is not a conservative doing it?  Omar was even defending her opinion as evidence.  The two CNN anchors let her get away with this and threw softball questions.  This is the same network half an hour earlier referring to Trump's cancellation of Pelosi's flight as a "BOMBSHELL."   If a republican did this and you don't think this wouldn't be plastered all over the news for weeks, you are completely delusional.  

It's not about being able to put your head in the sand and only following sources that you agree with. The fact the MSM is just as bad (and a lot of cases worse) as the smaller biased sources is a disgrace and why our country is so divided.  Hell, they are the reason why these extremely biased news sources exist to begin with. 

It's not that I don't think media sources are biased.  As long as they are run by human beings, there will always be bias in what they do.  On top of that, you will never be able to get consensus on media bias because everyone sees thing through their own filter.  What is obviously biased to one person, is entirely objective and fair to another.  

The "mainstream media" is an outdated term because now there are so many places to go find news and opinions.  I think this is why CNN, Fox, MSN, etc are now chasing their audience instead of being the arrival point they  used to  be.  In order to make what audience they have left stay loyal, they become very one-sided so that the people who agree with those views feel a lot of loyalty.  It may work in some way today, but I think it is a sign of  long term desperation.  

Part of the schtick these networks play is to become targets for the other side.  Political warriors from the left love to bitch about Fox.  Political warriors from the right do the same with CNN.  Complain as they do, they're still watching.  Bad attention is still attention.  I think the people in charge count on this.  

What I don't understand is the outrage this causes.  The myth that there was ever a news media that was free of opinion is incredible.  If believe with all my hear that Fox is biased and I disagree with its positions, why do I insist on watching and getting all fired up about it?  To keep tabs on what the other side is doing?  What good does that do me?  Seems like an lot of unnecessary anger and stress.  

posted by like_that

I sometimes watch CNN/MSNBC just for shits and giggles to see how full retard they have gone. Here is the latest example of how boogie is living in his own world if he doesn't think there is a media bias.  Forget the anti semite rhetoric coming from democrat politicians, which is terrible, how about  Omar Llhan going on CNN and defending conspiracy theories about Lindsey Graham being a homosexual and being blackmailed to be outed?  So, now it is cool to out someone as gay as long as it is not a conservative doing it?  Omar was even defending her opinion as evidence.  The two CNN anchors let her get away with this and threw softball questions.  This is the same network half an hour earlier referring to Trump's cancellation of Pelosi's flight as a "BOMBSHELL."   If a republican did this and you don't think this wouldn't be plastered all over the news for weeks, you are completely delusional.  

It's not about being able to put your head in the sand and only following sources that you agree with. The fact the MSM is just as bad (and a lot of cases worse) as the smaller biased sources is a disgrace and why our country is so divided.  Hell, they are the reason why these extremely biased news sources exist to begin with. 

Saw that.  For a moment I thought I was on another planet, not just in another country in the middle east.  We have serious challenges coming our way.

posted by iclfan2

Ha funny screenshot on twitter of the douche Chris Calizza on Wednesday saying way to go Pelosi for trying to change the SOTU and calling her tough, then when Trump cancels the trip he calls him immature. It's hilarious. The anti-semitism coming out of the left is something to behold, after the ypretended to care so much about the Pittsburgh shooting.

I missed the antisemitism from any of them recently.  What was said/done?
 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

The "mainstream media" is an outdated term because now there are so many places to go find news and opinions.  I think this is why CNN, Fox, MSN, etc are now chasing their audience instead of being the arrival point they  used to  be.  In order to make what audience they have left stay loyal, they become very one-sided so that the people who agree with those views feel a lot of loyalty.  It may work in some way today, but I think it is a sign of  long term desperation.  

This is something I've been thinking for awhile, and I stopped using the term "mainstream media" a couple years ago as a result.  It just doesn't feel like there's any such thing anymore.

posted by O-Trap

I missed the antisemitism from any of them recently.  What was said/done?
 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

The "mainstream media" is an outdated term because now there are so many places to go find news and opinions.  I think this is why CNN, Fox, MSN, etc are now chasing their audience instead of being the arrival point they  used to  be.  In order to make what audience they have left stay loyal, they become very one-sided so that the people who agree with those views feel a lot of loyalty.  It may work in some way today, but I think it is a sign of  long term desperation.  

This is something I've been thinking for awhile, and I stopped using the term "mainstream media" a couple years ago as a result.  It just doesn't feel like there's any such thing anymore.

 

Those guys are collectively in trouble.  You can see the writing on the wall.  When the baby boomer generation is gone, I can't see how they all survive in their present form.  Innovation in the field of information will make them more and more irrelevant.  They will probably end up being the main audience for each other.  

I suspect that you'll see the rise of the podcast. You get maybe one 30-second ad at the beginning and long conversations where people have the chance to get into the nuance of their positions rather than grandstanding before a hard break.

posted by like_that

Was this the thread where Boogie was denying there is media bias, because conservatives can go to their extremely bias sources (brietbart, blaze, etc) to get their news?   If not, I am posting this here regardless. 

I mostly get my political news from realclearpolitics, because they normally give both polarizing sides to any given topic.  I highly recommend it for everyone.  At the very least you can see how ridiculous our media is, but maybe you can pick up an argument from the other side you never thought of.

I sometimes watch CNN/MSNBC just for shits and giggles to see how full retard they have gone. Here is the latest example of how boogie is living in his own world if he doesn't think there is a media bias.  Forget the anti semite rhetoric coming from democrat politicians, which is terrible, how about  Omar Llhan going on CNN and defending conspiracy theories about Lindsey Graham being a homosexual and being blackmailed to be outed?  So, now it is cool to out someone as gay as long as it is not a conservative doing it?  Omar was even defending her opinion as evidence.  The two CNN anchors let her get away with this and threw softball questions.  This is the same network half an hour earlier referring to Trump's cancellation of Pelosi's flight as a "BOMBSHELL."   If a republican did this and you don't think this wouldn't be plastered all over the news for weeks, you are completely delusional.  

It's not about being able to put your head in the sand and only following sources that you agree with. The fact the MSM is just as bad (and a lot of cases worse) as the smaller biased sources is a disgrace and why our country is so divided.  Hell, they are the reason why these extremely biased news sources exist to begin with. 

Don't forget the one dipshit cunt at CNN who told some dude to check his white privilege...except said dude was black. There are way too many commentators on these networks who've seen Hannity and think that if they can pull off a left-wing version of him, they can be celebrities in their profession, not understanding that when you imitate a jackass, you become one because they're so tone-deaf.

Media is calling this shutdown “Trump’s doing“ and saying how he is holding federal employees hostage till he gets his way. But when Obama had a shutdown, it was “republicans refuse to give in for Obama’s healthcare plan for the American people”

if you can’t see there’s a media bias, you’re probably part of the problem. 

posted by O-Trap

I missed the antisemitism from any of them recently.  What was said/done?

The same IIhan Omar that was saying Lindsey Graham is gay also said about Israel "Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel. #Gaza #Palestine #Israel". Rashida Tlaib is another one.  There are also a few that are part of the BDS movement. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Media is calling this shutdown “Trump’s doing“ and saying how he is holding federal employees hostage till he gets his way. But when Obama had a shutdown, it was “republicans refuse to give in for Obama’s healthcare plan for the American people”

if you can’t see there’s a media bias, you’re probably part of the problem. 

Two things can be true. There is certainly a media bias, but Trump claimed "credit" for the shutdown right up front.

posted by Heretic

Don't forget the one dipshit cunt at CNN who told some dude to check his white privilege...except said dude was black. There are way too many commentators on these networks who've seen Hannity and think that if they can pull off a left-wing version of him, they can be celebrities in their profession, not understanding that when you imitate a jackass, you become one because they're so tone-deaf.

LOL, I almost forgot about this.  That was a great listen.

posted by SportsAndLady

Media is calling this shutdown “Trump’s doing“ and saying how he is holding federal employees hostage till he gets his way. But when Obama had a shutdown, it was “republicans refuse to give in for Obama’s healthcare plan for the American people”

if you can’t see there’s a media bias, you’re probably part of the problem. 

It sucks for the current people who are shut down, but the bill passed to have them back paid at least.  At the very least they know they will be getting their money.  On the flip side if a business "shutdown" (aka go out of business), everyone would lose their job and there would be no large paycheck to look forward to in the future.  I have a hard time believing these people feel bad for these employees right now. 

Also, during Obama's sequestration, many federal employees were furloughed one day a week for 10-22 weeks (depending on agency) and they did not get back paid for those days.  I didn't see the media victimizing these people.

posted by CenterBHSFan

I suspect that you'll see the rise of the podcast. You get maybe one 30-second ad at the beginning and long conversations where people have the chance to get into the nuance of their positions rather than grandstanding before a hard break.

Frankly, maybe that's just better anyway, particularly given the seeming effort to report without slant.  I know it's not completely possible, because our slants are, at times, even subconscious, but at least guys like Cronkite made an effort.  As it stands, I think we should have, as well as listen to, MORE nuance within our political discourse.  Not less.
 

posted by iclfan2

The same IIhan Omar that was saying Lindsey Graham is gay also said about Israel "Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel. #Gaza #Palestine #Israel". Rashida Tlaib is another one.  There are also a few that are part of the BDS movement. 

I mean, bitching about Israel isn't the same as bitching about the Semitic people.  Technically, there are more Jews in New York City than there are in the nation of Israel.

Still, this woman is obviously reading her religious views into her politics.  People would shit a brick if Lindsey had posted something almost verbatim and subbed in "God" for "Allah."

It simply has to be ignorant liberals that want to display their ‘open-mindedness’ and cultural and religious enlightenment who elect these radical Muslims.  I don’t see the trend reversing any time soon.

posted by queencitybuckeye

Two things can be true. There is certainly a media bias, but Trump claimed "credit" for the shutdown right up front.

I just meant the way they’re reporting the two shutdowns are polar opposites.  

posted by O-Trap

Frankly, maybe that's just better anyway, particularly given the seeming effort to report without slant.  I know it's not completely possible, because our slants are, at times, even subconscious, but at least guys like Cronkite made an effort.  As it stands, I think we should have, as well as listen to, MORE nuance within our political discourse.  Not less.
 

posted by iclfan2

The same IIhan Omar that was saying Lindsey Graham is gay also said about Israel "Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel. #Gaza #Palestine #Israel". Rashida Tlaib is another one.  There are also a few that are part of the BDS movement. 

I mean, bitching about Israel isn't the same as bitching about the Semitic people.  Technically, there are more Jews in New York City than there are in the nation of Israel.

Still, this woman is obviously reading her religious views into her politics.  People would shit a brick if Lindsey had posted something almost verbatim and subbed in "God" for "Allah."

 

Yeah, I agree with that. Putting your religious beliefs openly into your politics is generally lame. Don't give a fuck who or what you worship, but have your work revolve around representing us, not your fervent belief in whatever magic sky entity you like to pretend exists; primarily because people tend to twist faith into meaning whatever they want it to mean. But with the term "anti-semitism" thrown around, I was expecting something a lot worse. Calling open criticism of Israel "anti-semitism" is the same weak sauce the equally big bitches on the left were doing when they were trying to say that open criticism of Obama's policies was "racism".

posted by Heretic

Yeah, I agree with that. Putting your religious beliefs openly into your politics is generally lame. Don't give a fuck who or what you worship, but have your work revolve around representing us, not your fervent belief in whatever magic sky entity you like to pretend exists; primarily because people tend to twist faith into meaning whatever they want it to mean. But with the term "anti-semitism" thrown around, I was expecting something a lot worse. Calling open criticism of Israel "anti-semitism" is the same weak sauce the equally big bitches on the left were doing when they were trying to say that open criticism of Obama's policies was "racism".

I would say aligning yourself with Louis Farrakhan, which several democrats have is problematic and not "weak sauce."

posted by QuakerOats

 

NYC restaurants cut hours, staff due to minimum wage hike Employee hours have been reduced in 76.5% of full-service restaurants in New York City and 36% said they also had to eliminate jobs in response to the city's minimum wage increase, according to a survey of 574 restaurant operators done by The NYC Hospitality Alliance. The survey also found most limited-service restaurants plan to reduce hours or eliminate jobs in the coming year as a result of the wage increase. U.S. News & World Report (1/16)

No shocker here.  I don't know how many times the government raising the minimum wage has to fail for people to finally get the picture.  

posted by QuakerOats

 

 

It simply has to be ignorant liberals that want to display their ‘open-mindedness’ and cultural and religious enlightenment who elect these radical Muslims.  I don’t see the trend reversing any time soon.

Quite possibly true.  What about ignorant conservatives who elect radical Christians?

posted by like_that

I would say aligning yourself with Louis Farrakhan, which several democrats have is problematic and not "weak sauce."

While I wouldn't disagree with that, that also wasn't mentioned in the post I was referring to, which simply was tossing out "anti-semitism" labels to people who don't seem to be fans of how Israel's government operates and/or is supportive of other nations in the region. Which is as factually accurate as saying a person is racist because they didn't agree with Obama's policies.