Progressives, part 3...

  • Mon, Oct 8, 2018 2:13 PM
    posted by iclfan2

    The new woke thing to complain about is how States with no people like ND have the same amount of Senators as California. LOL

    Word for word from Kamala Harris/Bill Maher.

    It's mainly just ignorance of how the system actually works - House is proportional representation, Senate is equal (wrt states), and the POTUS is a combination of the two.

    People keep ignoring a fundamental principle of our founding was state rights, and that's the reason for the electoral system.  Is "state rights" outdated?  I hope not.  Like 1/3 of the country lives in large cities, so I don't think the people of 100 or so cities should tell the other 2/3 of the country how to live.

    Mon, Oct 8, 2018 2:15 PM
    posted by iclfan2

    The new woke thing to complain about is how States with no people like ND have the same amount of Senators as California. LOL

    FFS

    Wait until they hear about the US House of Reps.  It'll blow their fucking minds.
     

    posted by gut

    But look at the leadership in that party - she'll do really well as a radical leftist who makes absolutely no sense.

    Socialists take the long way around, talking in circles, just to avoid saying "there's no science or logic to it, we just believe giving people more free stuff is a nice thing to do".

    I actually noticed that about Scientologists last night, too.

    Do with that whatever you will.

     

    Mon, Oct 8, 2018 2:19 PM
    posted by gut

    People keep ignoring a fundamental principle of our founding was state rights, and that's the reason for the electoral system.  Is "state rights" outdated?  I hope not.  Like 1/3 of the country lives in large cities, so I don't think the people of 100 or so cities should tell the other 2/3 of the country how to live.

    Repeal the 17th.

    Mon, Oct 8, 2018 2:20 PM
    posted by gut

    People keep ignoring a fundamental principle of our founding was state rights, and that's the reason for the electoral system.  Is "state rights" outdated?  I hope not.  Like 1/3 of the country lives in large cities, so I don't think the people of 100 or so cities should tell the other 2/3 of the country how to live.

    Worse than that.  Over half the country's population lives in about 5% of the actual area of the country.

    Business Insider put this out in 2016 (PRIOR to the election, so it wasn't driven by that):

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    That other 50% of the population would basically get no consideration in elections.  No stumping in those places.  No formulating platforms based on their needs.  They'd be "feral" voters, more or less.

    Mon, Oct 8, 2018 2:36 PM
    posted by O-Trap

    That other 50% of the population would basically get no consideration in elections.  No stumping in those places.  No formulating platforms based on their needs.  They'd be "feral" voters, more or less.

    Maybe.  I was thinking more along the lines of people's views and outlook tends to be shaped by their social circles.  That's what tips the popular vote to Dems, and they know it which is why they pretend like the electoral college is some inherently unfair and poorly conceived notion.

     

     

    Mon, Oct 8, 2018 2:54 PM
    posted by gut

    Maybe.  I was thinking more along the lines of people's views and outlook tends to be shaped by their social circles.  That's what tips the popular vote to Dems, and they know it which is why they pretend like the electoral college is some inherently unfair and poorly conceived notion.

    I mean, I get the frustration of the winner not being the one with the most votes, but the reason I don't like a popular vote model as a viable alternative is what it would do to campaign strategy.  As said above, if you live on the wrong 95% of the US's tierra firma, you're basically never going to have anything important to you addressed on the campaign trail unless it's also relevant to the populous areas.  To a candidate, you're not important.  Anything addressed that is important to you is just the luck of caring about something people in Sacramento/Chicago/Atlanta/Denver/etc. care about.

    The notion that our outlook tends to be influenced by our social circles is true wherever you go, so inevitably, if you're running for office, you're going to get the most bang for your buck by hitting the major cities.  If you have time to hit 1 more locations on your campaign trail, and we have a popular vote model, where are you going?  BFE, Montana with its population of 1,200 on a good year or Los Angeles?  You could flip more than 1,200 voters in LA by walking onto the rally platform, lighting a doob, and walking off.

    If we think political campaigning is a shit show now ...

    Tue, Oct 9, 2018 7:14 AM

    Pretty wild that in a relatively short 8 year span, we've gone from the democrat party bragging about their "permanent majority" to their tear-stained screamfest  that the Constitution "isn't fair.' 

    Tue, Oct 9, 2018 7:43 AM
    posted by fish82

    Pretty wild that in a relatively short 8 year span, we've gone from the democrat party bragging about their "permanent majority" to their tear-stained screamfest  that the Constitution "isn't fair.' 

    Interesting "devil's advocate" take by Armstrong Williams on the possibility of Dems flipping both the House and Senate next month, and what they would have to do maintain that permanency - a very precarious position.

    https://wjactv.com/news/armstrong-army-strong/a-permanent-democratic-majority

    Tue, Oct 9, 2018 8:19 AM
    posted by Zunardo

    Interesting "devil's advocate" take by Armstrong Williams on the possibility of Dems flipping both the House and Senate next month, and what they would have to do maintain that permanency - a very precarious position.

    https://wjactv.com/news/armstrong-army-strong/a-permanent-democratic-majority

    Two things about this article stick out to me.

    1.) Who in their right mind would even want a permanent majority of any party?

    2.)

    The Democrat Party of today has seized less on idea politics and more on identity politics. The sexual preference of a candidate or the color of a candidate’s skin is more important than the ideas that individual espouses. That may be what many voters in the party want. But it’s not what the voters need.

    Yep! 

    Tue, Oct 9, 2018 10:13 AM
    posted by fish82

    Pretty wild that in a relatively short 8 year span, we've gone from the democrat party bragging about their "permanent majority" to their tear-stained screamfest  that the Constitution "isn't fair.' 

    At least they're metal about it.

     

    Tue, Oct 9, 2018 10:39 AM
    posted by Zunardo

    Interesting "devil's advocate" take by Armstrong Williams on the possibility of Dems flipping both the House and Senate next month, and what they would have to do maintain that permanency - a very precarious position.

    https://wjactv.com/news/armstrong-army-strong/a-permanent-democratic-majority

    The last two points he makes will never happen. Assuming the Ds take the House they will talk fervently about an ACA adaption with Medicare for All. And you KNOW they will start impeachment process in the House like morons, because it will do nothing without 67 votes in the Senate. 

    Tue, Oct 9, 2018 11:21 AM
    posted by fish82

    Pretty wild that in a relatively short 8 year span, we've gone from the democrat party bragging about their "permanent majority" to their tear-stained screamfest  that the Constitution "isn't fair.' 

    The Lord works in mysterious ways.

     

    Wed, Oct 10, 2018 3:21 PM

    So, CNN had a panel on that called Kanye West a dumb negro and a token negro. Didn't bother bleeping it out. In fact, Don Lemon leaned over laughing.

    So yeah, while we're so worried about "old white men" that haven't done anything wrong other than being born that way, CNN is sliding under the radar with their blatant racism. 

    Wed, Oct 10, 2018 3:38 PM
    posted by CenterBHSFan

    So, CNN had a panel on that called Kanye West a dumb negro and a token negro. Didn't bother bleeping it out. In fact, Don Lemon leaned over laughing.

    So yeah, while we're so worried about "old white men" that haven't done anything wrong other than being born that way, CNN is sliding under the radar with their blatant racism. 

    Racism doesn’t exist lol except when it’s someone who supports trump this is great. Or also the dems who have been holding black people down despite how hard the gop has tried to help black people.

    Wed, Oct 10, 2018 3:49 PM
    posted by geeblock

    Racism doesn’t exist lol except when it’s someone who supports trump this is great. Or also the dems who have been holding black people down despite how hard the gop has tried to help black people.

    Who on this forum ever said that racism doesn't exist?
    Also, guess how many of those people on that panel were conservatives.

    You're all over the place on this and probably don't know why.

    Wed, Oct 10, 2018 3:54 PM
    posted by CenterBHSFan

    Who on this forum ever said that racism doesn't exist?
    Also, guess how many of those people on that panel were conservatives.

    You're all over the place on this and probably don't know why.

    I didn’t watch it I’m just laughing at the racism u choose to address and the racism u choose to ignore. Imagine being innocent and the only crime you committed was being born that color. Welcome to the party. 

    Wed, Oct 10, 2018 4:30 PM
    posted by geeblock

    I didn’t watch it I’m just laughing at the racism u choose to address and the racism u choose to ignore. Imagine being innocent and the only crime you committed was being born that color. Welcome to the party. 

    I have never said that racism did not exist. I have never believed it didn't. You're trying appropriate thoughts where they do not exist. But it is pretty damn funny that the same network who has seizures about old white men laugh when people say "dumb negro" and "token negro". And it obviously bothers you that it was done and that it was pointed out as the hypocrisy that it is.

    Wed, Oct 10, 2018 4:39 PM

    Dave Rubin has Coleman Hughes on this week. Part 1 is up. I think philosophy was certainly Hughe's calling.

    10/10 so far!

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