Progressives, part 3...

posted by iclfan2

What a tough end to 2019 for the media and regressives.

I'm thinking Nov. 4th could be a big day for the 2020 Dead Pool.

posted by O-Trap

She's A reason; she's not THE reason.

You are correct, but of the 535 members of Congress, I would say she is one of the top 5 reasons, if not the biggest reason for such a low rating.

All of those trying to blame climate change for the fires in Australia.... wrong again, it is actually all arson. This is why rational people are skeptical of the constant climate change hysteria.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nearly-200-people-arrested-in-australia-for-deliberately-lighting-bushfires_3195827.html

posted by iclfan2

All of those trying to blame climate change for the fires in Australia.... wrong again, it is actually all arson. This is why rational people are skeptical of the constant climate change hysteria.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nearly-200-people-arrested-in-australia-for-deliberately-lighting-bushfires_3195827.html

Sure, arson is the direct cause of the fires it looks like, but the fact that Australia's climate has become drier has led to the fires becoming more devastating. That is where the impacts of climate change come into play. The drier climate and lack of rain just fuels the fires. You cannot deny the fact that Australia's temperature has increased a few degrees over the past 50 years and that is leading to drier and more arid lands, more dry brush, etc. That makes any fire way worse than it used to be in previous years. That is the impact of climate change. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Sure, arson is the direct cause of the fires it looks like, but the fact that Australia's climate has become drier has led to the fires becoming more devastating. That is where the impacts of climate change come into play. The drier climate and lack of rain just fuels the fires. You cannot deny the fact that Australia's temperature has increased a few degrees over the past 50 years and that is leading to drier and more arid lands, more dry brush, etc. That makes any fire way worse than it used to be in previous years. That is the impact of climate change. 

You have no idea how much less fire there would be if this happened 50 years ago. There was also a significant weather event that caused the drying, which there is no way to know if it's due to climate change or not. Just yelling climate change at everything that is happening is ridiculous. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_Dipole

posted by iclfan2

You have no idea how much less fire there would be if this happened 50 years ago. There was also a significant weather event that caused the drying, which there is no way to know if it's due to climate change or not. Just yelling climate change at everything that is happening is ridiculous. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_Dipole

Yes we do...we can look back at 50 years and see if the fires were worse or the same. They are worse now that the air is drier. That is climate change as in the climate changes over time...

Now.....I will concede the exact cause of the climate change is TBD, as in it is TBD if it is natural or man made. But, to ignore or deny the fact that the earth is warmer than it was 50 or 100 years ago and thus areas of the plant are drier is short sighted. 

We can both be right, arson casued the start of the fire, but the natural or man made change of the climate has made the fires worse. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

They are worse now that the air is drier.

There is no proof of that.  Climate Change is always blamed, as that's what their rigged models predict, but research has not established a signal in the empirical [actual] data.  That has been the case for hurricanes, tornadoes, wild fires, flooding, etc...

And it shouldn't be surprising when you're talking less than 1 degree warmer than the 1880 baseline or whatever (and less compared to other decades since then).  Also, more of the warming occurs on the lower end (higher lows) and at night.  And about 2/3 of warming has occured in the upper 2/3 of the northern hemisphere (last I checked Australia is in the southern hemisphere).  So this theory that climate change is causing worse wild fires should fail the common sense test.

There's no doubt CO2 has caused some warming.  But probably not all of it, and the more you dig the more the "existential crisis" melts away (pun intended).

HLN, which tends to be better than some of the others, just had an interview with an Iranian diplomat calling the assassination "state terrorism".

Ummmm, this guy was literally in charge of exporting state sponsored terrorism.  Pretty shameful to run that soundbite without any challenge or balance to the question.

it is funny to watch the left defend Iran now.  Trump is winning bigly

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Yes we do...we can look back at 50 years and see if the fires were worse or the same. They are worse now that the air is drier. That is climate change as in the climate changes over time...

Now.....I will concede the exact cause of the climate change is TBD, as in it is TBD if it is natural or man made. But, to ignore or deny the fact that the earth is warmer than it was 50 or 100 years ago and thus areas of the plant are drier is short sighted. 

We can both be right, arson casued the start of the fire, but the natural or man made change of the climate has made the fires worse. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50602971

You can keep saying climate change, but repeating it over and over doesn't make you right.

Actual science has already stated that it is due to arson AND exacerbated by the Indian Ocean Dipole, which is a naturally occuring event (their version of El Nino).

This is the most severe IOD in 60 years, that part is true, but that also means that there have been even worse IODs back "before" we were spewing that much CO2 into the air.

Hilarious hearing the dems literally mimicking the Iranian foreign minister and other Iranian radicals in commenting on Trump taking out the terrorist.  Honest to Christ you’d think the dems were the enemy as well.

posted by gut

There is no proof of that.  Climate Change is always blamed, as that's what their rigged models predict, but research has not established a signal in the empirical [actual] data.  That has been the case for hurricanes, tornadoes, wild fires, flooding, etc...

And it shouldn't be surprising when you're talking less than 1 degree warmer than the 1880 baseline or whatever (and less compared to other decades since then).  Also, more of the warming occurs on the lower end (higher lows) and at night.  And about 2/3 of warming has occured in the upper 2/3 of the northern hemisphere (last I checked Australia is in the southern hemisphere).  So this theory that climate change is causing worse wild fires should fail the common sense test.

 

There's no doubt CO2 has caused some warming.  But probably not all of it, and the more you dig the more the "existential crisis" melts away (pun intended).

posted by jmog

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50602971

 

You can keep saying climate change, but repeating it over and over doesn't make you right.

 

Actual science has already stated that it is due to arson AND exacerbated by the Indian Ocean Dipole, which is a naturally occuring event (their version of El Nino).

 

This is the most severe IOD in 60 years, that part is true, but that also means that there have been even worse IODs back "before" we were spewing that much CO2 into the air.

My position is not the typical liberal position that climate change is man made and we are all doomed. I take it as the science is still up in the air as to the causes, but we cannot deny that the climate itself is changing over time. 

That change could be the normal cycle or it could be radical cycle due to man made elements, but regardless, it is changing.

That could lead to the worse IOD, to drier elements that could worsen fires or sea level rises, glacial melting, etc. Those are happening. Whether they are normal or man made is TBD and up to science. I'm pretty open to things and immediately do not dismiss things or deny things. I also am not as jaded as some on here toward any and all climate science. 

So, back to the point, Yes arson, but also yes, the normal or man made climate change is making the fires worse. 

Let me put it another way. Sea level rise. 

The seas are rising, that is not up for dispute. How much so and how fast is unclear. But, if you look at coastal resiliency and preparing for that rise, it is prudent to examine cities and areas near a coast and prepare for areas that will be flooded in case of sea level rise. Take Norfolk, VA. The Army Corps of Engineers is looking at how the sea level rise that is going on now, ie. climate change, is impacting the ability to deploy our naval assets. They are examining floods walls, raising roads elements, and shifting patterns in currents for future ship areas. 

posted by QuakerOats

Hilarious hearing the dems literally mimicking the Iranian foreign minister and other Iranian radicals in commenting on Trump taking out the terrorist.  Honest to Christ you’d think the dems were the enemy as well.

Who? 

Specifically Sanders and Warren, although Pelosi and all the rest are saying the same thing.  You could literally overlay their comments with that of the Iranian foreign minister – word for word.

posted by QuakerOats

 

Specifically Sanders and Warren, although Pelosi and all the rest are saying the same thing.  You could literally overlay their comments with that of the Iranian foreign minister – word for word.

 

? Quotes? I've just seen the typical he was a bad dude but shouldn't have been killed and it may have been an illegal killing. I mean legally, there is a legit question as we did target a state actor. 

So Trump blows up that terrorist a week ago, then Iran randomly decides to fake fight back and shoots down a plane. Dumbass journalists call it “caught in the crossfire” and liberals blame Trump. Quite the mental gymnastics. 

posted by iclfan2

So Trump blows up that terrorist a week ago, then Iran randomly decides to fake fight back and shoots down a plane. Dumbass journalists call it “caught in the crossfire” and liberals blame Trump. Quite the mental gymnastics. 

It all comes back to those liberals trying to screw it all up. 

Interesting how whoever is president, we're just supposed to implicitly trust them when they take yet more military action in the Middle East. Oh, you say he was a terrorist?  Then have at it. You guys and you're intelligence reports are never wrong as we know. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

It all comes back to those liberals trying to screw it all up. 

 

Interesting how whoever is president, we're just supposed to implicitly trust them when they take yet more military action in the Middle East. Oh, you say he was a terrorist?  Then have at it. You guys and you're intelligence reports are never wrong as we know. 

Are you insinuating he WASN’T a terrorist?

posted by iclfan2

Are you insinuating he WASN’T a terrorist?

Who in the hell knows. Maybe he was. But our government hasnt actually earned a. Lot of trust in these types of matters over the years. It's always interesting to me how when whoever is president gets into tough political situations domestically, some prime opportunity to use missiles magically opens up. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Who in the hell knows. Maybe he was. But our government hasnt actually earned a. Lot of trust in these types of matters over the years. It's always interesting to me how when whoever is president gets into tough political situations domestically, some prime opportunity to use missiles magically opens up. 

And those who have supported him prior to that point will find any reason to justify doing so.